Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

Seconded @CallMeSirShotsFired

Feminists and Wimen’s arights campaigners aren’t the ones brandishing baseball bats, pissing in people’s office doors, stalking people’s children, making rape and death threats etc.

You need to accept that you are part of a violent, abusive, misogynist movement.

Your attitude shows your socialised and inbuilt masculinity.

I hope you're not talking about a masculine essence...

Male violence. Funny isn’t it? The tactics used are just so male.

''That's not what the trans dudes I know have said re: their transition, but that's anecdata. In any case, I specifically don't want to talk about (especially childhood) sexual abuse, especially not in a public thread.''

We kind of have to discuss childhood sexual abuse in relation to identity disorders around gender and sex. We have to with kids, because it might be an indictaor of serious harm in their environment for them to split their identity in this way and for adults its about recognising need.We asolutely do need to discuss sexual abuse in relation to any identity disorder relating to gender and sex.

Woah, I go away to feed babies and them read stories and put them to bed and this thread becomes HUGE---so I have not been able to read the whole thread but my question:

If you identify with women you would get how AGPs in women's spaces, getting a sexual thrill from being 'validated' by unconsenting women, is seriously creepy. Instead you are saying they do not exist?

I'm saying that[...] getting a sexual thrill from impersonating a woman, or being dressed as a woman, is fine - I'm not going to police people's kinks

Well, neither am I, in their own bedrooms or whatever they can do as they like, but now they can be in women's spaces and it looks like you think that is ok. Women don't think it's ok.

We kind of have to discuss childhood sexual abuse in relation to identity disorders around gender and sex. We have to with kids, because it might be an indictaor of serious harm in their environment for them to split their identity in this way and for adults its about recognising need.We asolutely do need to discuss sexual abuse in relation to any identity disorder relating to gender and sex.

'We' doesn't have to include me. I specifically don't want to talk about it.

''I hope you're not talking about a masculine essence...''

Nope. That would be the tangible manifestation of the difference between sexes. Routine subordination of women through millenia, and patterns of violence and sexual abuse to force that subordination. See earlier posts on thread.

''We' doesn't have to include me. I specifically don't want to talk about it.'

Apologies. Of course.

Ironically, and sadly there are very many threads on mumsnet that talk about csa.

Because it's a very common thing for women to be suffering PTSD from.

To have had to leave abusive partners for.

And the reason why safeguarding is so important to parents.

I genuinely think this thread was great and you handled yourself and it really well. My position hasnt changed but it didnt have to for that to be true.

Thanks!

Passive aggressiveness and gaslighting does not good discourse make.

We' doesn't have to include me. I specifically don't want to talk about it.

No. And I respect your boundaries much more than vice versa. But yes, we will be having this conversation as a group of women concerned about young women whether or not you are involved.

Liz: Do you have any questions? At all?

Ironically, and sadly there are very many threads on mumsnet that talk about csa.
Because it's a very common thing for women to be suffering PTSD from.
To have had to leave abusive partners for.
And the reason why safeguarding is so important to parents.

I'm intimately aware, thank you.

And the reason why women accessing shelters may find it difficult to be around anyone born male.

I don't believe for a moment that there are very many women, if any at all, who keep a baseball bat by their bed because they fear for their safety. It's a dangerous thing as a woman, to introduce a weapon into a conflict situation, as it can easily be turned against you by a male bodied person.

The arrogance is just breathtaking.

The term "woman" is already known and understood by billions of people over millennia. You will not just strut in and take it off us.

Your reaction to us saying no to you is the most telling part of it.

Get your own name, this one's taken.

Liz: Do you have any questions? At all?

I'm not here to take your time, just to offer mine.

'...without threats or aggression' is funny - funny peculiar AND haha - from someone whose opening gambit was a selfie with a baseball bat, mind you.

There have not been any 'threats or aggression' aimed the other way, & it would perhaps be sporting of you to acknowledge that.

On Twitter, for example.

Still no definition of woman.

The thread can be distilled into three questions.

Q: why do you seem to be endorsing violence (the bat)?

A: it's valid political expression.

Q: what is a woman?

A: anyone who says they are a woman.

Q: what's your name for biological women as a class?

A: dunno, not my problem.

'Liz: Do you have any questions? At all?''

Ask us anything. Really. Exceptr about biscuits. Or cereal. Or ice cream. Which are apparnetly frowned on as topics of discussion. We are dossing on the net hiding from our kids, really.

No. And I respect your boundaries much more than vice versa.

I've been, I think reasonably polite in this thread. I'm pretty tired, though, and that's probably why I'm going to have to respond with the following: eyeroll

But yes, we will be having this conversation as a group of women concerned about young women whether or not you are involved.

Good! I too am very concerned about the safety of women and girls - the only difference is, I care about trans women and trans girls, as well as not-trans women and girls.

Yes. In San Francisco, at the Dyke March where transactivists carried bats for “protection,” it was transactivists who roughed up lesbians, not the other way around.

Transactivists have threatened, harassed, and physically attacked women, on the basis of political belief, in San Francisco, Portland, and Vancouver, as well as in the UK. I’m sure women in New Zealand and Australia can weigh in with experiences too.

I have in my hand a great deal of respect to deliver to any member of the trans community who stands up and repudiates, rather than creates rationale for, this kind of brownshirt activity.

So far, no organisation has done so, and no individuals within the community have demanded they do so.

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I have in my hand a great deal of respect to deliver to any member of the trans community who stands up and repudiates, rather than creates rationale for, this kind of brownshirt activity. ''

Same and the way trans people standing up to this are treated is instructive. Really.