Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

The worst bit is i misread the pages so have slandered captain

I put it down to age, a hard day at work, 2 teens and confusing bat / pants/ Pikachu combo discussions

The question boils down to: do women have a right to say no to penis.

The answer boils down to: no.

YY. What price #metoo? Every trans ally or TRA handwringing over that who thinks women with boundaries should be subjected to violent threats.

To be fair to Liz, they had a good run & remained polite throughout.

I'd happily debate further with Liz. Preferably if they put the bat down, obvs.

If all this has achieved is a) an eye opener for lurkers & b) less bat, more chat, well, that is something.

Share sex segregated spaces with Liz - nope. A pint, sure.

I don't 'decide' when women fear me! If someone is afraid of me, I'd like to find ways to either reassure them, or if that's not possible, remove myself from the space - I don't want to make anyone afraid, and I'm glad that I have the opportunity now to make that nice and explicit.

Mate, men commit 98% of sexually violent crime and 90% of all violent crime.

We can't stick around to look at your bloody CV.

Strewth.

I know you're trans, which, in theory, should give you more of an insight into women's lives. But honest to God, you have less of an insight than almost anyone else.

Stop it.

Women are not your imagined view of a stereotype. They're not.

Stop.

I'd like to point out the term Terf is a misnomer as feminism includes all women , including trans men. As they're women.

Dealing with kids at the mo.

No it's not. Transmen have particular needs and experiences due to their natal sex. Feminists are concerned with anything that harms or negatively impacts the safety and welfare of females. That includes trans men who are or want to get pregnant for example.

Liz, I have one more question. Are you aware you have asked for the psychological device you use to manage gender dysphoria override 70 years of systems that developed aorund male violence

I'm having difficulty parsing this. What psychological device are you talking about?

be sufficient to prevent women discussing inequality they live without centering you.

I'm happy for people to discuss the inequalities they face without me. That's not the problem. The problem is denying that trans women are women too, and suffer misogyny under patriarchy also.

and that we dismiss established and mature frameworks for contested medical treatment for children?

I'm officially Not A Doctor and so I'm not going to recommend or dismiss medical treatment - I'll leave that to the professionals. What I will say is this: everything I've read says that affirming care for trans children leads to the best outcomes, and that corresponds heavily with my experience.

Do you think that is a reasonable expectation? Did a therapist ever discuss with you the limits of internal identity and the boundary between that and other people and the law?*

I really don't understand what you mean by that. I don't 'force' my identity on anyone, I just am. I'm not going to call the police if people are mistaken.

All I can think of now is bat pants

Nananananananana nananananananana batpants!

Thanks again. I don’t think you have the answers, I don’t think any single person does. I think we are both firmly set in our camps. Best of luck to you.
It's the equivalent of putting an atheist and a Christian in a room with the directive 'convince the other person!'. The atheist will never accept God exists just because the Christian says he does. The Christian won't stop believing no matter what evidence is presented by the atheist.

If my comment is transphobic, mumsnet can delete it, but it really isn't.

Liz, if you are reading that last comment I made seemed snarky. I genuinely think this thread was great and you handled yourself and it really well. My position hasnt changed but it didnt have to for that to be true.

That bat lives by my bed. I don't need to explain why a woman might feel the need to defend herself in her room, in her house,

Hah. Most women know better (from years of dealing with micro-aggressions and a disgusting number of not-so-micro assaults, beatings and rapes) than to try and fight back in this sort of case.

Our main objective is to defuse the situation and/or get the fuck away as fast as fucking possible, not square up for a potentially lethal fight.

Your attitude shows your socialised and inbuilt masculinity.

Many transmen have experienced sexual abuse which can be the reason they disassociate with their sex and desire to transition. They've been abused often as young girls. That's a feminist concern.

I have a pile of books by my bed

''I really don't understand what you mean by that. I don't 'force' my identity on anyone, I just am. I'm not going to call the police if people are mistaken.I really don't understand what you mean by that. I don't 'force' my identity on anyone, I just am. I'm not going to call the police if people are mistaken.''

Liz that is what trans activists have demand. Now I personally think mostly its because dont know about hte existence of the stuff we are talking about and I think the reflex to protect identuty plus social media made this toxic. But that is what you are asking, I know you dont think so but your needs have context and that context is male violence, sex based inequality and predatory males.

I don't want to make anyone afraid, and I'm glad that I have the opportunity now to make that nice and explicit.

I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw a baseball bat.

@LordProf made it to right thread now

2.) Provide protection for trans people at protests, marches and rallies

From who, for crying out loud?
It's you lot doing the violence!

That’s me 🐱

I think it’s a big job, being an OP and putting yourself forward. Respect for that.

No 'that must have taken some balls' jokes? No?

It’s been a good conversation, I hope you think so to.

There have been some good questions. I think there have also been what could be described as frustrated questions, and a number of comments that would be hurtful to someone with thinner skin.

What did you want to achieve when you started this thread? And what will you take away from it?

I wanted a dialogue. Give y'all a chance to talk to a Real Life TRA without threats or aggression. A better question is perhaps what have you folks taken from it?

Thanks again. I don’t think you have the answers, I don’t think any single person does. I think we are both firmly set in our camps. Best of luck to you.

I have a pile of books by my bed

same!

I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw a baseball bat.

You still haven't given us a meaningful definition of 'woman'.

Despite not answering any of my questions, respect for sticking around for a bit Liz.

People should live however they want to, dress how you like, do what you like UNLESS it is harmful to others. Myself and many others see that what you ultimately wish IS harmful to women. But it seems we're not going to agree on that point, probably because you don't have a lived experience of growing up as a woman and therefore don't prioritise women's rights to safety, privacy and dignity.

I wish you well, but hope you can do some thinking on what's been discussed

Give y'all a chance to talk to a Real Life TRA without threats or aggression

Many of us have already done this before you rocked up yesterday.

Many transmen have experienced sexual abuse which can be the reason they disassociate with their sex and desire to transition. They've been abused often as young girls. That's a feminist concern.

That's not what the trans dudes I know have said re: their transition, but that's anecdata. In any case, I specifically don't want to talk about (especially childhood) sexual abuse, especially not in a public thread.