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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

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glitchliz · 29/01/2019 10:54

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

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StarsAndWater · 30/01/2019 18:50

Excluding trans people because you think they might have a penis is not.

I really am fed up with this now. Women have the right to say no to penises.
We have the right to exclude them no matter how they identify.
We have the right not to have to encounter them in our safe spaces.
We have the right to exclude them from our sexual orientation.
We have the damn right to say no.
If you think there are exceptions to that, that's not women's problem, it's yours.

glitchliz · 30/01/2019 18:51

I really want to return to your statement that you have no objection to people with uteruses etc gathering together and excluding people without uteruses etc — provided those people don’t call themselves women. You’ve quite gracupiously allowed that people with uteruses could do so under a new name.

Not all women have uteruses.
Some men have uteruses.
Some people have uteruses, and are neither male nor female, or are both, or are fluid.

Describing the groups above as 'women' erases a great number of people's identity.

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Bluestitch · 30/01/2019 18:51

Telling women they have to redefine themselves to cater to your subjective identity is male entitlement in action.

HamiltonCork · 30/01/2019 18:51

In summary you can’t/won’t Say why we should see you as a woman. And you appear to have violent tendencies.

Ereshkigal · 30/01/2019 18:52

access to segregated spaces on the basis of gender identity is already protected by, I believe, the Equality Act, which this doesn't affect.

Not strictly true. You should switch off TERF Blocker and stop believing everything your British transactivist friends say.

placemats · 30/01/2019 18:52

I so want to have a brain transplant with Teresa May at this moment in time.

Then Brexit wouldn't happen.

And May could have a break.

Win, win.

Misteryise · 30/01/2019 18:52

I would love it if someone could transplant my brain into a man's body. Finally, the chance to be taken seriously in meetings at work, amongst other myriad privileges!

glitchliz · 30/01/2019 18:52

You’ve failed to explain why we should consider you as a woman.

I have no intention or desire to convince any of you that I'm a woman.

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Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 30/01/2019 18:53

Thank you for clarifying that the comment was deleted to your followers.

Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.
OdeToDiazepam · 30/01/2019 18:53

Do you believe in a male and female brain?

lisamuggeridge · 30/01/2019 18:53

Am not a radical feminist, I discuss safeguarding and social policy systems around women, I am also a single mother. When I discuss a policy reflex that harms women, systematically, and I discuss failure of family court systems, safeguarding, and our cash transfer system in protecting womens right to protect themselves and their children, if I dont centre your identity in that I am excludig you from what that you have a right to?

In my thesis examining the way austerity impacted by women, are you suggesting that I hvae to prioritise your identity even though you dont experience ANY of that inequality because it centres around the female biology? You believe that ANY woman who thinks about inequality she lives without centring you is excluding you from something you have a right to and you will enforce that with a bat? We are no longer allowed to analyse systems because it excludes you that you dont live with that?

HamiltonCork · 30/01/2019 18:53

You can’t explain why you should be considered to be a woman because you aren’t one.

glitchliz · 30/01/2019 18:53

I would love it if someone could transplant my brain into a man's body. Finally, the chance to be taken seriously in meetings at work, amongst other myriad privileges!

If you would prefer a male body, that's not unachievable. Just sayin'.

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lisamuggeridge · 30/01/2019 18:54

Liz do you realise that you are demanding that women not be allowed to discuss their own lives with reference to you and that that is disordered thinking?

SkylightAndChandelier · 30/01/2019 18:54

I really wish belief could change reality - just think of the wrongs in the world that would fix!

Liz - do you believe that beliefs can change reality?

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/01/2019 18:54

But you are using the words male/female woman/man to mean "anyone who identifies as such" rather than the definition that women here are using which is someone of that reproductive class. You have not explained why your definition (circular and meaningless) is superior to the current definition?

Ereshkigal · 30/01/2019 18:55

If someone were to transplant your brain into a differently sexed body, would you stop being what you are and start being the new sex?

If someone built a time machine and killed Hitler as a baby would there still be a WWII?

AnneHutchinson · 30/01/2019 18:55

And to answer your question, yes, if someone transplanted my brain into a male body, I’d start being the new sex because my body would be of the class that creates small, motile gametes, and that is the definition of sex.

However, the circumstance remains as hypothetical as the possibility of changing a sexed body from male to female.

The only way this becomes possible is not by actually doing so, but by redefining the words male and female. It is a language game, played by sophists, and not a material change, akin to declaring the earth now has four moons, not because we’ve discovered a hitherto unbeknownst moon but because we’ve redefined “moon” to include three communications satellites that orbit the earth and shine pretty at night.

Bowlofbabelfish · 30/01/2019 18:56

If you would prefer a male body, that's not unachievable. Just sayin'.

How? If you have a way it’s be good to know. It’s Nobel prize winning stuff if youve found a way to change the sex of a human.

clairestandish · 30/01/2019 18:57

What is the difference between a man and a woman? What are the differences between somebody who identifies as a man and somebody who identifies as a woman? Why can’t you come up with a definition of woman or man??

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/01/2019 18:57

I'd like to point out the term Terf is a misnomer as feminism includes all women , including trans men. As they're women.

So there's absolutely no point using it to speak for all trans people.

Beerflavourednipples · 30/01/2019 18:57

Okay, I'm out. This is just fucking offensive. 1000s of years of female oppression, of women fighting just to be treated like human beings, of the fight for women's rights.
All that, no longer relevant and we need to find another name for ourselves because someone of the oppressor sex class decides they want the label 'woman', and can't even be bothered to define it.

This!

'Nothing illustrates more vividly the subordination of women than men deciding who can be one.'

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 30/01/2019 18:57

So if my reasoning is because you are male, & males as a sex class present a danger to women as a sex class, is that based in prejudice?

Because then we'd have to dismantle sex segregated spaces, wouldn't we, as prejudiced?

We have to start listen to tra and understand that this is their ultimate aim.

Ereshkigal · 30/01/2019 18:58

The only way this becomes possible is not by actually doing so, but by redefining the words male and female. It is a language game, played by sophists, and not a material change, akin to declaring the earth now has four moons, not because we’ve discovered a hitherto unbeknownst moon but because we’ve redefined “moon” to include three communications satellites that orbit the earth and shine pretty at night.

This.

NotTerfNorCis · 30/01/2019 18:58

I think it's legitimate political expression,

Are you equally comfortable with your political opponents expressing themselves through violence?

I'm guessing not. So it's lucky you don't have to.