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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

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glitchliz · 29/01/2019 10:54

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

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HamiltonCork · 30/01/2019 18:42

You don’t personally punch terfs but you use the threat of violence instead to keep uppity women in line. Nice.

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/01/2019 18:42

So the suggestion is that any woman who feels unsafe with a male-bodied person in a female single-sex environment needs to consider if they are being prejudiced?

No idea why some individuals might be perceived to be more of a threat than others? It's a mystery!

Bowlofbabelfish · 30/01/2019 18:43

If people don't feel safe with any individual in their space, then whatever - what's important is to consider why that person is perceived to be unsafe, and maybe consider whether or not that perception is based in a real threat or prejudice.

No, we don’t exclude people on a case by case basis. For single sex women’s spaces we exclude all men, as a class. My husband is no threat to anyone, but he doesn’t get to go in single sex spaces because he is a man. He doesn’t demand a case by case review.

We exclude men as a class, because men as a class are a danger to women as a class. Any individual man may be harmless or dangerous. But we exclude them all, as a class.

What you want, Liz, will make all spaces mixed sex. Do you think that’s acceptable?

glitchliz · 30/01/2019 18:43

Point to the compelling evidence of sexed brains in the wrong body.

If someone were to transplant your brain into a differently sexed body, would you stop being what you are and start being the new sex?

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OdeToDiazepam · 30/01/2019 18:43

-starsandwater-

Well said. I totally agree

PurpleCrowbar · 30/01/2019 18:43

Would it be different if I didn't want you there because you have a worrying habit of posing for photos whilst holding a baseball bat, & expressing apologist views regarding violent activist groups?

That's about you as an individual, not because you're male.

Is that your distinction?

placemats · 30/01/2019 18:43

I didn't transition because I wanted to be a woman: I transitioned because I am one

Do you believe in biology and science? Because this answer would suggest otherwise.

HamiltonCork · 30/01/2019 18:44

But brain transplants don’t exist (and probably never will) so that question is ridiculous.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 30/01/2019 18:44

If someone were to transplant your brain into a differently sexed body, would you stop being what you are and start being the new sex?

Yes

HamiltonCork · 30/01/2019 18:45

We still don’t have a definition as to what women are. And you like to control women with the threat of violence.

Bowlofbabelfish · 30/01/2019 18:45

f someone were to transplant your brain into a differently sexed body, would you stop being what you are and start being the new sex?

The day it’s possible, we will find out.

Right now it’s science fiction, so it’s a meaningless question.

lisamuggeridge · 30/01/2019 18:45

Liz, do you realise you have said that you require women subordinate their identity, you should decide when women fear you, and demanded that we cease to exmaine structural global inequality or face an acronym that requires we be punched and threatened with bats?

Do you know that that is an expression of masculine need to dominate and in an adult male or female would be seen as disordered thinking which indicated risk to others?

glitchliz · 30/01/2019 18:45

Would it be different if I didn't want you there because you have a worrying habit of posing for photos whilst holding a baseball bat, & expressing apologist views regarding violent activist groups?

Sure! No problem. Not wanting me there because of my politics or behavior is entirely legitimate. Excluding trans people because you think they might have a penis is not.

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AnneHutchinson · 30/01/2019 18:46

I really want to return to your statement that you have no objection to people with uteruses etc gathering together and excluding people without uteruses etc — provided those people don’t call themselves women. You’ve quite gracupiously allowed that people with uteruses could do so under a new name.

So: if, say, a place known as Yorkshire Women’s Refuge changed its name to Yorkshire Womble Refuge, and stared it provided services only to that class of people formerly known as women but now known as Wombles, that would be okay?

I want to be clear Im understanding correctly. If I’m not, please do correct my misunderstanding.

HamiltonCork · 30/01/2019 18:47

You’ve failed to explain why we should consider you as a woman.

placemats · 30/01/2019 18:47

If I get a pig heart transplant does this mean I'm a pig?

There hasn't to date been a brain transplant on a live human. Hope that helps.

nationalpost.com/health/worlds-first-human-head-transplant-successfully-performed-on-a-corpse-scientists-say

Bowlofbabelfish · 30/01/2019 18:47

Excluding trans people because you think they might have a penis is not.

Is excluding men from women’s single sex spaces acceptable?

Can humans change sex?

Yes or no answers fine

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/01/2019 18:47

Woman is biology. It’s like saying you are human. It just is.

You are born into the club. Some female babies don’t even make it that far (or much beyond) BECAUSE THEY ARE FEMALE. Geddit?

You may ‘feel’ female - whatever that is - but that’s just the wrapper on the chocolate bar.

lisamuggeridge · 30/01/2019 18:48

I know its a tangent but I wanted to say that if you put my brain into Kim Kardashians body I would BE Kim Kardashian. And that would be awesome.

CoastalLife · 30/01/2019 18:48

That bat lives by my bed. I don't need to explain why a woman might feel the need to defend herself in her room, in her house, because I think that feeling is known by a lot of people here.

And yet you are unable to empathise with the many women who feel threatened by people with penises in female-only safe spaces Hmm

If people don't feel safe with any individual in their space, then whatever - what's important is to consider why that person is perceived to be unsafe, and maybe consider whether or not that perception is based in a real threat or prejudice.

The threat of violence against women by people with penises is very real. Even if you believe that violent people with penises can be women, a la Karen White. I don't think anybody with an ounce of sense could entertain the idea that a fear of male on female violence is founded in prejudice rather than reality.

There is no way you don't understand how fragile your stance is. Come on.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 30/01/2019 18:48

Or would it have to be 'cis women only', as that's what has been Decided by some trans women?

lisamuggeridge · 30/01/2019 18:48

Kim Kardashian Muggeridge West.
If I identify as Kim Kardashian is that the same?

glitchliz · 30/01/2019 18:49

Liz, do you realise you have said that you require women subordinate their identity, you should decide when women fear you, and demanded that we cease to exmaine structural global inequality or face an acronym that requires we be punched and threatened with bats?

If your radical feminism excludes trans women, then you're a trans-exclusionary radical feminist. If yours doesn't, it doesn't apply to you.

I don't 'decide' when women fear me! If someone is afraid of me, I'd like to find ways to either reassure them, or if that's not possible, remove myself from the space - I don't want to make anyone afraid, and I'm glad that I have the opportunity now to make that nice and explicit.

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howlsmovingcastle84 · 30/01/2019 18:49

If myself and Usain Bolt swapped brains-who do you think would win in a running race? The biological runner or the person who feels like a runner?

Beerflavourednipples · 30/01/2019 18:49

If people don't feel safe with any individual in their space, then whatever - what's important is to consider why that person is perceived to be unsafe, and maybe consider whether or not that perception is based in a real threat or prejudice.

So do you think that women feeling unsafe in an intimate space where she may feel vulnerable, with a male bodied person, is 'prejudiced'? Even though 98% of sexual offences are carried out by males?

At what point do you believe that a transwoman comes out if the risk category of male (a high risk category given the stats) and into the low risk category of female? At what point in the 'transition' are women no longer allowed to feel anxious or uncomfortable with a male bodied person in their space?