Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

What's the point of renaming categories like that?

People remain the sex they always were, and in circumstances where that is relevant, it remains relevant.

Bugger-all point dividing people by gender, though. It serves no purpose.

Liz, I have a question. Do you believe your gender dysphoria can be eased without forcibly overriding womens boundaries and safety?

Sure! That's literally how it's worked so far.

Can your gender dysphoria only be eased if women are forced to obey you and their ability to say I am afraid of you is forcibly suppressed by law and intimidation through activism?

I am a staunch believer in individual autonomy. People can say whatever they like to me. I don't have to listen, I don't have to be around those people, they don't have a right to enter spaces I control, etc etc.

So why can’t women say ‘sorry - you with the testicles - this is a women only area’ then?

So if a group of women, or an individual woman for that matter, say: this is a women's space. We don't regard you as a woman. You aren't welcome.

...then that's fine by you?

I don't have to be around those people, they don't have a right to enter spaces I control, etc etc.

Why are you against women having this right?

Thank you for ignoring all of my questions btw

''Liz, I have a question. Do you believe your gender dysphoria can be eased without forcibly overriding womens boundaries and safety?

Sure! That's literally how it's worked so far. ''

Well yeah, hence the question!lol We are all a bit shocked by this. Cos we didnt know any trans women who needed our boundaries forcibly overridden and wanted accessto spaces of safety from male violence with a bat and we definitely didnt hear about the need for us to pretend biology wasnt relevant to inequality, or the need to ignore offending and violence rates and patterns till trans activists. So yes., that is how its worked so far, hence the question. I'll ask it again
Can your gender dysphoria be eased without women being forced to subsume their perception to you, their rights and their safety? Is there a way for your gender dysphoria to be eased without women being abused for having boundaries? Dores your gender dysphoria mean that you beieve women should not be allowed boundaries from you or to assess risk you pose when you have your bat?

Legitimate expression of self? Offensive? Same thing as an ‘adult human female’ T-shirt?

Let's consider this. I think it's legitimate political expression, expressing a rejection of trans-exclusive feminism. I don't personally punch TERFs, and have no desire to. It is the same for me as the 'adult human female' t-shirt, in that it is also legitimate political expression. I find the view expressed, or at least implied, by the statement hateful, and wouldn't want people with those t-shirts around in my spaces, but then I feel the same way about MAGA hats.

I'll ask it another way. Is there a way for your gender dysphoria to be eased without women having to entirely subordinate to your identity, perception and needs?

Man alive, @Datun, just when i think I couldn’t possibly admire you more...you pull that out the bag. 😉

You’re a fucking legend.

Are you a libertarian?

@glitchliz - I have several questions.

Is it OK that some trans activists want to erase women - E.g. Shon Faye, who said ‘women - enjoy your erasure’?

Is it OK that athletes born genetically male and who grew up male, with all the physical advantages that gives, in terms of muscle mass, strength, lung capacity, size and endurance can ID as female, and immediately start beating all the biological women? I think that is deeply u fair to the women who cannot beat a biological male, and will destroy women’s sports.

Is it OK for children to be given puberty blockers that could negatively impact their education, and could leave them sterile and permanently pre-pubertal - and all without the knowledge or consent of their parents?

Is it OK that Scottish schools are being told that girls who are uncomfortable with sharing their changing room with a trans boy (who is going to be fully male bodied) must change elsewhere - because the trans boys feelings matter more than the girls’ feelings - or even their religious necessity, if they are Muslim and cannot change their clothes with a male person in the room?

Is it OK that self-ID would mean that, if a male pervert wanted to get access to girls in a state of undress, they could simply say ‘I ID as female’ and walk into the girls’ changing rooms at the sports centre or the clothes shop or wherever - and any girl who challenged them could be accused of transphobia, and yelled at like the poor store clerk in the video above?

Is it OK that someone IDed as female, despite having a fully functioning penis, and the desire to use it for PIV sex, was placed in a women’s prison, and went on to rape and sexually assault vulnerable women there?

Is it OK that lesbians’ knickers are being referred to as ‘the cotton ceiling’ - a barrier that trans women have the right to overcome? Is it OK that lesbian women are told they are transphobic for not wanting a penis in their vagina? Is it OK that a trans woman in this debate said ‘suck my lady dick’ - when ‘suck my dick is a very male phrase, and one that many women find threatening? But this person is a lady despite issuing this very male type nastiness.

Is it OK for gender critical women to be doxxed, or threatened with violence or rape?

Oh, and while I am at it, posing with a baseball bat is 100% at threatening thing to do. And no-one buys your ridiculous statement that it is OK because baseball bats are available! Posing with something that is used as a weapon is threatening. Posing with a baseball bat at a baseball match - not threatening.

''I don't personally punch TERFs''

You dont personally punch women for saying that they do not consider you when they discuss inequality? Is this you saying you know people who do? Do you use this rhetoric aboput punching to demand women centre you in how they think about inequalit they live? Even if you dont state you punch women, do you threaten them with it or support other people in threatening women with this rhetoric?

Thank you for ignoring all of my questions btw

So if a group of women, or an individual woman for that matter, say: this is a women's space. We don't regard you as a woman. You aren't welcome.

If people don't feel safe with any individual in their space, then whatever - what's important is to consider why that person is perceived to be unsafe, and maybe consider whether or not that perception is based in a real threat or prejudice.

Which brings us back to posing with the baseball bat - which we all know is the ‘anti t*’ weapon of choice for the weird ugly blokes on twitter.

What do think about the bloke who had the police turn up at his doorstep because he liked a poem on Twitter?

Do you believe the police should be policing people's thoughts?

Perceived threat matters too, @lizglitch. I have never met a man who threatened me with violence, but I know that male violence against women is a very real problem, and that not all men are safe for me to be around - hence my not wanting them around if I am going to be naked or in a vulnerable situation.

''I am a staunch believer in individual autonomy. People can say whatever they like to me. I don't have to listen, I don't have to be around those people, they don't have a right to enter spaces I control, etc etc''

You have said that is categorically not th ecase already on this thread. You have repeatedly used the term TERF, which is an acronym which suggestyou believe you have a right to be included in how women think about inequalit htey live, you have said that you dont 'personally' punch them for this but have used rhteoric used to justify violence. So thats not quite true is it?

Which brings us back to posing with the baseball bat - which we all know is the ‘anti t*’ weapon of choice for the weird ugly blokes on twitter.

I've explained my reasoning, and I've apologised. I don't think there's any further useful discussion to be had on that.

Also the bat. I dont want to forget the bat.

I'm not a man, though. I didn't transition because I wanted to be a woman: I transitioned because I am one

This isn't a subjective thing, it's an objective one. If one is a biological male one is not a woman, because a woman belongs to the female sex class, of the sex that has the potential to produce ova as opposed to sperm.

Point to the compelling evidence of sexed brains in the wrong body.

Point to a better reason than "because I say so", magical thinking and pomo queer theory gibberish.

Love to hear one, because in 5 years of discussing this issue, I haven't.

Thanks for your reply, Liz.

So if my reasoning is because you are male, & males as a sex class present a danger to women as a sex class, is that based in prejudice?

Because then we'd have to dismantle sex segregated spaces, wouldn't we, as prejudiced?

You can see why women might not be happy with that, surely?

So you ARE a libertarian. Absence of an answer means yes in my book.

Okay.

So you’d be happy if we came up with a new name and had a movement just for us and meetings that centred us and didn’t include you?

Of course! That's the same reason why I don't go to e.g. meetings for trans women of colour, or gay men, or any other group that isn't for me. I have no interest in taking up space in those discussions.

Okay, I'm out. This is just fucking offensive. 1000s of years of female oppression, of women fighting just to be treated like human beings, of the fight for women's rights.
All that, no longer relevant and we need to find another name for ourselves because someone of the oppressor sex class decides they want the label 'woman', and can't even be bothered to define it.

This is sexism in its purest form.
No.
No with bells on.

You go find your own labels and your own movement. Stop appropriating ours. It's deeply sexist and completely erases all the battles women have fought for centuries.