Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

Is Karen White a violent woman or a violent man posing as trans?

She claims to be trans, so - she's a violent woman. The important point though is that she's violent, and poses a risk to women inmates, which is why she's currently being held in a men's prison. Do you believe that there are no cis women in prison who have ever assaulted, sexually or otherwise, another woman?

Forgive me, I was under the impression from a previous post you don't have dysphoria? As you described it as euphoria.

I said that some people don't have dysphoria, and some experience gender euphoria, and some have both.

Did you suffer from dysphoria from a young age?

Yes.

Not with their penis, no.

If not all trans people have dysphoria but instead 'euphoria' then what is this all about? You are essentially saying legislation needs to be changed to facilitate a good feeling. At the cost to women's sports, safety, privacy, single sex provision.

That sounds horrible, why would they be scared or confused?

Everyone on this thread understands why girls would be scared.

*Hey Liz
Been reading the thread

I still don’t understand why you posed holding a baseball bat
It felt frightening and a threat of violence
It wasn’t like you linked to a sports site

It felt like a direct threat
Why did you do this*

So, the bat photo. It wasn't intended to be threatening, and I took pains while taking the photo to ensure that I wasn't brandishing it, merely presenting it. It was a mistake to post it, and has clearly been misinterpreted, and I'm sorry for how it made a number of you feel.

treating other people the way they want to be treated is better.

Thank you. Now, will you please campaign to leave single-sex facilities and wards and sports as single-sex, and for different solutions to be found for those who don't want to use them? That's how a lot of actual women want to be treated.

Hi Liz, if you're here in good faith, how come I'm blocked by you on Twitter when I've never even heard of you before, let alone interacted?

I'm not going to name that group because I'm not in it.

But you have taken the name away from it (the group formerly known as women) and left it nameless.

She claims to be trans, so - she's a violent woman.

Do you think Karen White's victims should have the violent crime against them recorded as being committed by a woman?

*So you’d be happy if we came up with a new name and had a movement just for us and meetings that centred us and didn’t include you?

Of course! That's the same reason why I don't go to e.g. meetings for trans women of colour, or gay men, or any other group that isn't for me. I have no interest in taking up space in those discussions.*

I’m so confused ... you want women to redefine themselves so you can claim ‘woman’?

As an aside, are you going to go back to Twitter and mention that that the single post you shared got sharply deleted? It worries me that it misrepresents this conversation, and ‘smacking nineteen shades of shit’ probably has got the wrong end of the stick as to how this is going.

I think I’m leaving this thread now. It’s a shame because it could have been really positive, but now I am not convinced.

Oh also, yes I use TERF Blocker, because it facilitates how I use Twitter.

Is there any way to safeguard vulnerable women, like those in prison, from violent transwomen who will attack them? Or do we simply have to place them in women's prisons and wait for the attacks to happen before placing them in men's prison? Is there any way to protect those women from possible rape/pregnancy?

The prison service currently don't even require a GRC to place trans women in women's prisons, self id is sufficient.

The equality act currently requires you to have a grc to have your records changed, All the requirements that necessitates to ensure that genuine gender dysphoric people only can access women's safe spaces. Self is would erase all of that protection

Exactly. And whilst we know that no one asks for a GRC at the changing room door, in a culture of 'self id' where we know that any man is allowed to change their legal sex by signing a piece of paper, it is going to be much harder for women to ensure that their single sex spaces are kept that way.

Because, who wants to risk upsetting the 'IT'S MA' AM' types, when it's just you and them in the changing room? And who wants to be accused of 'transphobia' because you challenged a man who 'identifies as a woman' in a female only space?

You don't seem to have thought that part of things through at all?

lisamuggeridge please tell me Weetabix icecream isn't a thing?!

So what's your 'answer' then liz..

What's your perfect world? Self id? Dictionary definition changed?

I’m so confused ... you want women to redefine themselves so you can claim ‘woman’?

My point is that the group of people who have, or have had, the ability or potential to bear children does not neatly line up with the group of people 'women' describes.

In that case I don't believe it is possible for this to be a discussion in good faith. I'm out.

This is a very fast moving thread so I fear I might have missed it but could someone copy and past the definition of women. I can see it has been ashed several times but couldn’t find the answer.

Is Karen White a violent woman or a violent man posing as trans?

She claims to be trans, so - she's a violent woman. The important point though is that she's violent, and poses a risk to women inmates, which is why she's currently being held in a men's prison. Do you believe that there are no cis women in prison who have ever assaulted, sexually or otherwise, another woman?

I believe the female prison estate is tiny and is almost devoid of the pattern of offending that defines the male prison estate, and the split between violent and sexual offenders and others by sex is very distinct, however that sex identify. In addition in UK law we are required to manage the risk of male pattern offending, which is a sex split. Womens prisons contain women who are highly likely to be victims of sexual abuse, come from the looked after system, and many will have experienced sexual violence, at the hands of men. The question of Karen Whites sex and how Karen identifies are different. Karen White is a rapist, who repeatedly used transphobia as an accusation for femae prisoners he was intimidating and abusing and Karen Whites sex demands that Karen White has facilities which can manage that offending profile and where vulnerae women are not put in prison cell with a rapist. Karens gender identity is something the prison service should accomodate, but Karens offending is consistent with bioogical sex and there is no dissonance there.

Karen White is male, and identifies as a woman and did so specificaly to target and rape female prisoners. Are you suggesting we make the internal identity of rapists and peadophiles more important than the risk they pose and that their victims are to prioritise their internal identity at the expense of risk assessment? Also what do you think it does to trans people living their lives and eanring acceptance over decades for you to say they need rape victims and prisons to treat Karen White as a woman t feel equal?

I do, in that I understand being afraid of male violence - that is a very real thing I too experience daily. I don't believe that self-ID will facilitate violence against women.

IT ALREADY HAS

Women have been assaulted because of how easy it has become to access vulnerable women.

Does becoming trans affect critical thinking?

How many Karen Whites do we need before people realise that getting rid of safeguarding and gatekeeping is a very bad idea?

She claims to be trans, so - she's a violent woman. The important point though is that she's violent

No. Male violence is key. It is absolutely key to this whole debate. Women understand this. We have had a lifetime of this. Even if you haven’t, you need to understand and empathise with its impact on women.

Op - would you like to officially apologise for the photo with the baseball bat? I know you have claimed it wasn’t meant to be threatening towards women but it really, really was.

Do you not consider it gaslighting and frankly abusive to tell the victims of Karen White that the person who raped them with their penis is in fact a woman?