Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

*I suspect it’s literally just that Liz and women both use the term women to describe themselves & Tom Hanks does not.

That's part of it. Also Tom Hanks, like other me to me, seems part of a group that fundamentally, deep down, is not-my-people. Women, both cis and trans, feel much more like 'the group I belong in*

So if I, an English person call myself Chinese & feel Chinese people are the group I belong to voila I’m Chinese. And if born Chinese people want a word to describe their identity I can just tell them they’re Cischinese?

Is that ok? How is what you’re doing different?

Women, both cis and trans, feel much more like 'the group I belong in'

This is patently not true. You were quaking in your shoes going to a meeting full of c*s women.

C*s women who understand that they are oppressed on the basis of their biology.

Who were gathering together to talk about their rights, experiences and concerns.

And you had absolutely nothing in common with them, whatsoever.

Because you are entirely unaffected by what effects them.

Sorry bold fail...

Would you be happy to accept a doctor as 'anyone who described themselves as one'.. or a surgeon?

Does ROGD worry you?

If a thirteen year old in your family suddenly came home from school and said she identified as a boy, as did her two best friends, would you urge caution and some degree of 'watch and wait'. How would your reaction be different if she suddenly anounced that she and her friends considered themselves 'too fat' and that they planned extreme diets.

Are you going to challenge the twitter poster who asked 'are you ok' because you posted a thread on mumsnet? Are you going to point out that of course you are ok, you're having a perfectly civil conversation on the internet which in no way poses a threat to you physically or psychologically?
Are you going to challenge the idea prevalent in TRA circles that discussing gender is literal violence, that underpins such a question?

As @NeurotrashWarrior wrote: gender euphoria sounds like autogynephilia. Which means you seriously need to stay out of women's only spaces.

And I also agree with @Charley50
"Even accepting an award, or wining a competition, meant for women, is abusing women as far as I'm concerned, not just being 'literally' violent".

And it is very, very, very hypocritical that you have agressively demanded that people refer to you with female pronouns because that is what you prefer, but you refer to women with the word "cis" despite being told repeatedly that most women find it to be offensive. It is very masculine to demand rights for yourself that you deny other people.

Ahem realise my example is poor as I guess through citizenship you could become Chinese. Just wanted to give the identifying as black option a rest. I’m just going to follow this thread for a bit and lay off the posting!

I'd still really like to hear more about this

Women, both cis and trans, feel much more like 'the group I belong in'

what is it about women that makes you feel you belong with them?

If you understand that there are two groups of people based on what gametes they should/could/would produce, I call bullshit on the whole feelz thing. You do NOT think like a woman - not with that baseball bat. You have NO empathy with women (the group you claim to belong to) and have NO understanding of our problems in life that are caused by the class that produce the sperm. In fact, you think like a bloke.

If there are no physical characteristics in common (as you said yourself upthread) and no empathy/thought process commonality, then why on earth are you calling yourself a woman?
Wear a dress as a man , break the boundaries and gender stereotypes placed on you as a man. I (and so many others) will stand with you and cheer you on.

That's the real final frontier.

This one that you are fighting is same old, same old.... Men taking things that belong to women - as you have forever. Men telling women what to do/think/wear... as forever. Nothing stunning or brave about it at all.

Sorry for the essay!!
Here's my question....

Why can't you wear a dress, high heels and makeup as a man?

In that case, do you listen to women who reject the label 'Cis'? I have seen many trans people and their allies very insistent on respecting identities and using preferred pronouns yet telling women that they have to accept this descriptor.
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to be perfectly clear an unambiguous, that is not a real problem because nobody needs to transition to be violent to women

This has really fucked me off. Men finding ways to access and abuse women is always a real problem, ask almost any woman! The fact that you just don't understand this very basic fact of life for women really supports a lot of the GC argument. If you don't think that violent men will "transition" in order access women's refuges, prisons and other facilities for vulnerable women (not to mention accessing safe spaces for all women, like changing rooms and toilets) then you are absolutely deluded.

@Calvinsmam, @Datun , @ CoastalLife Thank you

Hello Liz.

Thanks for coming here to answer questions. Here is mine:

How can women's (and girls) hard-won sex-based legal rights and protections be upheld if the definition of woman is changed to include men?

If Adult Human Female describes both women and transwomen, and a women is anybody who identifies as a women, then transwomen must be those females who identify themselves as transwomen. Therefore, theoretically as a female who had gestated four humans, I am a transwoman if I identify as one too.

Is that correct and if not, why not?

Why can't you wear a dress, high heels and makeup as a man?

Men can do that if they want. I'm not a man, though. I didn't transition because I wanted to be a woman: I transitioned because I am one. Trying to convey that inner sense is unfortunately, it seems, impossible for me - not good enough with words.

Why can't you wear a dress, high heels and makeup as a man?

Autogynephilia.

I didn't transition because I wanted to be a woman: I transitioned because I am one

What were you transitioning from then?

Autogynephilia refers to a theorised sexual fetish for being a woman - it's a widely discredited theory, and is exceptionally bad science.

Trying to convey that inner sense is unfortunately, it seems, impossible for me - not good enough with words.

No one ever is, Liz. No one ever is. That question has been asked a thousand times.

Even with every word in the English language at your disposal, the reason you cannot, ever, describe what it is to feel like a woman is because being a woman ISN'T feeling.

What were you transitioning from then?

A forced and unwanted male identity.

Autogynephilia refers to a theorised sexual fetish for being a woman - it's a widely discredited theory, and is exceptionally bad science.

And yet men who practise it are plastered from one end of the Internet to the other. And there are dozens of books written by self confessed autogynephiles.

Seriously Liz it's not exactly a secret. #GirlsLikeUs #Transgirls

But isn't there anything you can pinpoint that you definitely share with me and all other women, that puts you in the same group as us? If not, then why are we being forced to change laws and society to agree with something that is simply non-existent?

A forced and unwanted male identity

But if you were already a woman why not just assert your female Identity? Why the need to transition?

I didn't transition because I wanted to be a woman: I transitioned because I am one

you are very sure of this, so I think it is reasonable to press you - what are you basing this on?

what characteristics do you have that means you are sure you are a woman?