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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

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glitchliz · 29/01/2019 10:54

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

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Notagainagainagain · 30/01/2019 15:22

I suspect it’s literally just that Liz and women both use the term women to describe themselves & Tom Hanks does not.

Fairly meaningless then.

Happy to be corrected though!

glitchliz · 30/01/2019 15:22

Yep. Quite a lot of us are asking the same question. For an ask me anything, it's being studiously ignored.

I'm doing my best, off of my phone at work, and this is a very big question that deserves a full answer.

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Badstyley · 30/01/2019 15:23

Liz, what does feeling like a woman feel like? I ask because I’ve been a girl, then a woman all my life and I have no idea.

Also I’ll ask again, as other PP have asked but you haven’t answered: What is the characteristic or characteristics that all women and transwomen share, but that no men possess? if you can’t answer this question then you render the newly defined category of woman completely meaningless, as to be a category, one would have to have something that defines and catagorises it.

If no such defining characteristics exist, why do you want to be part of a category that you’ve rendered meaningless? Why do you want to destroy the category woman?

Datun · 30/01/2019 15:24

I suspect it’s literally just that Liz and women both use the term women to describe themselves & Tom Hanks does not.

But that's not a shared characteristic.

What about dead women, mute women, women in a coma, women who don't answer that question?

They're all men??

CallMeSirShotsFired · 30/01/2019 15:24

For an ask me anything, it's being studiously ignored.

Talking of which, if this is an AMA, why isn't it in the AMA section?
@MNHQ shouldn't it be moved there?

glitchliz · 30/01/2019 15:24

I suspect it’s literally just that Liz and women both use the term women to describe themselves & Tom Hanks does not.

That's part of it. Also Tom Hanks, like other me to me, seems part of a group that fundamentally, deep down, is not-my-people. Women, both cis and trans, feel much more like 'the group I belong in'.

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HipTightOnions · 30/01/2019 15:25

If your version of “woman” is not about biology or about expectations and stereotypes; if there are no characteristics that “women” share and “men” do not; if it is simply a word that some people choose to apply to themselves based on their own personal and undefinable feelings...

...then, to avoid confusion, why not choose a new word?

Datun · 30/01/2019 15:25

What about those 126 million foetuses?

By that token, they're all male and should be here.

CoastalLife · 30/01/2019 15:28

Women, both cis and trans, feel much more like 'the group I belong in

Why is that? Can you be more specific about what it means to you to "feel" female?

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/01/2019 15:28

I'm doing my best, off of my phone at work, and this is a very big question that deserves a full answer.

I appreciate that it is, thank you.

Datun · 30/01/2019 15:28

Women, both cis and trans, feel much more like 'the group I belong in'

So what?

Seriously?

Sorry I'm laughing here.

We are going to base laws and rights on that???

If I feel like I have far more in common with disabled people. I should get disability benefit?

BeUpStanding · 30/01/2019 15:28

to be perfectly clear an unambiguous,that is not a real problembecause nobody needs to transition to be violent to women

Have you spent any time considering why many women do think it's a very serious problem?

Also, I genuinely do not understand how people can be transgender, but not transrace. Why is Rachel Dolezal vilified, but Caitlin Jenner or Munroe Burgdorf are celebrated? If people can decide their gender, why not their ethnicity? Am asking very much in good faith, as this question baffles me completely Confused

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/01/2019 15:29

Though for us it's extremely simple.

Gender is the socially constructed idea of woman.

Sex is the biological reality: adult or child human female.

Woman means adult human female.

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/01/2019 15:32

So do you feel a part of the group Marilyn says he's in?

Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.
Datun · 30/01/2019 15:33

I'm doing my best, off of my phone at work, and this is a very big question that deserves a full answer.

I missed this, sorry.

As far as I'm concerned it is the question.

If men and women were treated exactly the same, I don't suppose women would have much problem with this issue.

But they're not. They are routinely disadvantaged because of their biology. In a society that favours men over women.

Women are oppressed because of their biology. If you can't identify the reason or basis of that oppression, you can't address it.

Just to take a small example. All women shortlists ensure that women get political representation. In a sexist environment women are considered lesser than. Hence all women shortlists.

If you open those to transwomen, it doesn't address the problem. You can have Parliament made up entirely biological men, and tick your diversity box in the process.

Which is why you have to categorise based on the reason that addresses the problem.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 30/01/2019 15:34

*Women, both cis and trans, feel much more like 'the group I belong in'."

Thebewilderness taught me about forced teaming. I miss her

Charley50 · 30/01/2019 15:35

Liz - although you say you feel like a woman, you don't seem to recognise the similarity between TRA behaviour and demands, and that of traditional male abuse and violence, and silencing of women?
How does that fit with you feeling like a woman?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 30/01/2019 15:35

I appreciate you taking the time out to do this Liz and guess it could feel daunting. Smile

None the less, I'd like to repeat CostalLife 's question above, because I'd very much like to know the answer:

Women, both cis and trans, feel much more like 'the group I belong in

Why is that? Can you be more specific about what it means to you to "feel" female?

YouCantTourniquetTheTaint · 30/01/2019 15:35

Do you understand that it isn't trans people who are the issue, its the people who will abuse self id that are the issue.

We've already seen instances of men who have abused it because tra's have made it easier for them to abuse vulnerable women.

Do you understand why gatekeeping and safeguarding are so important?

Here's one example. Meet Karen.

Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.
PopUpAd · 30/01/2019 15:38

Hi Liz

Can I ask a really practical question?

Im at the gym and returning from the shower to my locker I see one other person in the changing room and that person is naked and has 'traditional male genitals'. How do I proceed to ensure my safety?

  1. shrug and smile, do nothing and marvel at what a wonderfully diverse world we live in

  2. go over and ask their pronouns before taking action

  3. panic: there have been several reports in the paper of male assaults on lone females, rush to reception in a towel and ask for help

  4. challenge them myself? Ask if they are lost/confused, if I do this will I be accused of misgendering will this make me a bigot?

How do women keep themselves safe? TWAW removes a womans right to say no to men in their single sex spaces.

It worries me. Is the solution just to not go out alone if you are a woman?

Bluestitch · 30/01/2019 15:38

Women, both cis and trans, feel much more like 'the group I belong in'.

In light of you casually labelling half the population 'cis' I'd really appreciate an answer on my question about why you get to assign labels that many women reject whilst wanting your own identity to be respected.

OdeToDiazepam · 30/01/2019 15:38

Hi Liz, marking my spot for later reading

Charley50 · 30/01/2019 15:39

Even accepting an award, or wining a competition, meant for women, is abusing women as far as I'm concerned, not just being 'literally' violent.

SlinkyDinkyDoo · 30/01/2019 15:39

I've got to the Bat of Empowerment post. Honest answers my arse. Seriously, you wonder why women are furious? No idea.

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/01/2019 15:41

I'm another who would like to know what characteristics all women and transwomen share, that men do not that makes both groups female?

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