Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

And still no answer as to what actual characteristics Liz shares with me, and my late grandmother, but not Tom Hanks.

Autogynephilia.

relevent articles:
by Sue Donym, 'The Elephant In The Room'
medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b

Miranda Yardley (who is transsexual)
'What Autogynephilia is, and what is it not; a brief note'
mirandayardley.com/en/what-autogynephilia-is-and-what-is-it-not-a-brief-note/

'A History of Autogynephilia'
(extract)
"Autogynephilia as an idea suffers from far more talk than understanding. A fair barometer of whether an individual understands even the first thing about autogynephilia is their denial, either of its existence, its veracity as a scientific framework within which to understand key aspects of transsexualism, or the role of autogynephilia in the process which creates the non-homosexual transsexual." (continues)
mirandayardley.com/en/a-history-of-autogynephilia/

Who forced a "male identity" on you?

Trying to convey that inner sense is unfortunately, it seems, impossible for me - not good enough with words.

What 'inner sense' are you talking about here? I don't have an 'inner sense' of being a woman, I know I am one because of the biological reality of my body. That's it.

There is no 'essence of womanhood' that every woman across the planet shares, that men don't. I know that might be quite difficult to hear, but there really isn't.

But isn't there anything you can pinpoint that you definitely share with me and all other women, that puts you in the same group as us? If not, then why are we being forced to change laws and society to agree with something that is simply non-existent?

Liz, transgender people are the ones wanting to change the status quo regarding single sex provision

It is reasonable to ask you to provide a thorough explanation of why that is necessary

for any lurkers, I highly recommend the article that R0wantrees linked to above

www.medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b

it really helped me to understand autogynaephilia

some people have gender euphoria

This sounds like Autogynephilia? If not how is it different?

This is a good question. Can you address this Liz? If you identify with women you would get how AGPs in women's spaces, getting a sexual thrill from being 'validated' by unconsenting women, is seriously creepy. Instead you are saying they do not exist?

Also why are you picking and chosing which questions to answer? You haven't answered mine about TERF blocker or Datuns question about what characteristics you share with women that you do not also share with Tom Hanks.

I appreciate you're busy but I would have thought in typical AMA style you would write a list of questions asked and answer them in order when you have the time, ensuring none are missed.

There are many trans people who acknowledge the reality of their sex. Do you think they are wrong about themselves? These are the transwomen I have known in my adult life. What I now see are transwomen asserting that they are literally female and that their male sex organs are female. Why is the only acceptable response to so many trans activists total capitulation to what is an objective untruth?

You don't have an inner sense of being a woman. You just don't.
I don't know what you have an inner sense of, but it's not being a woman.

What constitutes a “male identity”?

Are there specific traits that form all male personalities that you don’t have or are you referring to being labeled male because you have a male body and you feel that you don’t have a male body?

I think Liz is saying that because the term "autogynephilia" is verboten, the practice of it therefore cannot exist (even though it does). An interesting approach of using words to create a world that fits an ideology.

I prefer fact-based reality myself. Harder, but ultimately more satisfying.

Autogynephilia refers to a theorised sexual fetish for being a woman - it's a widely discredited theory, and is exceptionally bad science.

Yet we can see it. It's just inconvenient for some male people to acknowledge it.

I appreciate you're busy but I would have thought in typical AMA style you would write a list of questions asked and answer them in order when you have the time, ensuring none are missed.

I'll go back and answer the ones I want to, but I'm also trying to get out answers to ones that can be addressed quickly.

I appreciate you're multitasking between thread and work, Liz, so I shall ask a different question instead of asking you to tell what you think the GC position is, although I'd still like to read it.

On reading your answers to the questions you've chosen to address, would it be a correct assessment to say that your understanding of gender identity is an entirely subjective and immeasurable, nay, practically indefinable, thing?

If that's the case, how do you understand any rational, objective framework to accommodate it in any quantifiable 'right'?

I didn't transition because I wanted to be a woman: I transitioned because I am one

So if you were already a woman, why did you need to transition?

Or, if you accept that you were not born female (hence the "need" for transition), what characteristics did your transition supply you with that meant you were female after transition but not before?

As a PP has said, the reason you are unable to articulate how a feeling can make you a woman is because it can't.

Liz, you must see the problem with all this.

In your world, two men having anal sex with their penises can be described as lesbian sex if they both identify as women. Or, if halfway through only one does, that's suddenly heterosexual sex.

And yet the concept still remains. Sexual orientation is a protected characteristic. If you can't describe it, how can you protect it?

Those two men are never going to be discriminated against on the basis that they are women in a lesbian relationship, are they?

I think Liz is referring to the transition from presenting as a man to presenting as a woman?

You say that you are interested in maintaining a civilised conversation. What do you think about the physical threats that are so commonly made to "TERF"s on twitter? If you disagree with them, do you think your baseball bat photograph communicates this disapproval?

What changes do you hope to make to the behaviour of Mumsnetters as a result of this conversation? What changes to your behaviour do you think you might make as a result of this conversation?

How can you prove that your non-man feeling automatically equals woman?

Especially given that women everywhere have asserted they feel no such mystical womanly essence - so how can you say you do? For all you know, that feeling could actually be a feeling of being a sloth; or a cat; or a drinks cabinet.

1. Allow people to be controlled easily by telling them not to engage with any idea they find uncomfortable. When I were a lass at uni we were encouraged to actively engage with uncomfortable ideas.

So, let's be clear - I do not believe that disagreement is violence. For example, I disagree with a great many of y'all here, just as you disagree with me, and that in itself isn't violent. What is violent, is perpetuating hateful ideas - promoting viewpoints that are associated with women being assaulted, raped, and killed, for example. This includes trans women, too.

2. Lead to the idea that any disagreement is an existential threat to the self
I'm not convinced that that is a real viewpoint. I do think that messages I'm getting on here that say 'You're just a man', 'you think like a bloke', 'you're violent' etc are unpleasant to read, and are untrue, but I don't see them as existential threats to my sense of self. That's not to say that other people don't feel differently - I'm sure some do - but my identity has withstood far more attempts to invalidate it than this. I was literally raised as a boy, but it didn't stick :)

3. Allow abusive people to threaten others. Many women on here have seen men do this (if you leave me I’ll kill myself etc) and this appears to be classical Male pattern violence.

I don't condone or support violence.

Have you ever spoken out against some of the extreme forms of transactivism I see regularly, such as threats of violence, doxxing, attempts to stop meetings etc? Or about the erosion of women in language to bleeders, cervix havers etc? Do you understand why there is a backlash against transactivism in its present stance?

But you own a tape wrapped baseball bat and pose with it on social media.

"What is violent, is perpetuating hateful ideas - promoting viewpoints that are associated with women being assaulted, raped, and killed, for example."

Could you give a specific example of where this has been done by gender critical women?

And the ones you don't want to answer will just be ignored...?