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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A reminder: What we did was brilliant. Is brilliant.

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lisamuggeridge · 28/01/2019 13:46

What we did was amazing. We pulled the GUardian, Parliament, the House of Lords, the media, out of a position they were determined to have, we changed the debate, we showed women were a political force, we acted, all over the country we acted. In different ways. We were bound by the GRA review and as soon as that was done it was evident that power relations had recreated within a social movement. Yes some people by reflex did things that they would always have done. Now we get to relearn and renegotiate power relations by saying we dont play the way media tribalists did. Whatever fall outs there have been were always going to hapen but we still did that. Thats why htis board is permanently monitored by nutcases and acually the power we demonstrated is directly at the root of the toxic fallouts and is a mark of success in itself. Political spectrum reforming within this movement is alright, but it probably pays to remember how amazing what we achieved was and letting that guide what we can achieve., We changed the conversation we can keep doing that. Easily. By having the conversation we want and not bowing to social media tribalism that hides all sorts of nasties and existing political orgs. And learning in a way they cant.

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Politelygiveszerofucks · 29/01/2019 00:49

I have no connection to the fantasy life of one of the women you mentioned, and me saying I wont stand with a facsist doesnt really change that.

So it’s fine to attack some women because they deserve it?

BubonicTheHedgehag · 29/01/2019 00:49

Men are easy to spot.

geeewhizz · 29/01/2019 00:51

You mean this, Lisa? idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2019/01/04/posie-parker-kelly-jay-menshull/

lisamuggeridge · 29/01/2019 00:51

I dont know Politely, I have never in my life gone out of my way to attack a woman, never set up an account on a website to do so, never spent hours and hours reding the thoughts of someone i dont like because it makes me angry. I think its because am a functioning adult and can reflect. Hence the blog. Its that ability that seems to make you mad, that and me er..posting on a parenting website and er jean hatchett destroying lives by riding her bikes to raise money for domestic abuse..lol

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lisamuggeridge · 29/01/2019 00:53

That would be me publishing a conversation Geewhizz. I think I was clear about why I posted it. I stand by doing so. I also stand by Posies right to speak to whichever groups she chooses. Gee, its so complex being an adult capable of nuance. Now the accusations would be interesting if they werent coming from sock puppets behaving in a deranged way. Demonstrating the problem I discuss...

I reflect on my actions and can stand by them. I dont then have to spend my life setting up sock puppet accounts to express the things am ashamed of. You should try it.

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 29/01/2019 00:53

The black and white thinking of today's youth and social media emoji culture does explain a bit why we're in this Brexit mess.

"X is wrong! No matter what X says, it's wrong... X has now changed their position, but it's X,so that'll be wrong too, whatever it is. So they're still definitely wrong!"

"Y was wrong about past event A, therefore they are wrong about this too. So I can't work with Y on a solution."

"Z is trying to bridge the divide here, but they are trying to achieve a compromise with X and Y, and X and Y are definitely WRONG. So, no matter what they come up with, I know I won't be doing that because I am fundamentally opposed to everything X and Y are for."

2ndWaveFeminist · 29/01/2019 00:54

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Politelygiveszerofucks · 29/01/2019 00:54

One can condemn the actions and behaviour of someone without hating them OP.

Nobody is attacking Jean’s bike rides.

lisamuggeridge · 29/01/2019 00:55

It was weird, the second Brexit was voted on- the tribes were formed by Westminster. Remainers and Leavers, its been bizarre to watch and has absolutely prevented any rational debate about what is actually major. And is now happening as a result.

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lisamuggeridge · 29/01/2019 00:55

2ndwavefeminist AND ICE CREAM!(sorry I will get bored of the ice cream maker eventually)

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BubonicTheHedgehag · 29/01/2019 00:58

Today's photos of civic statues of women, dressed in T-shirts with "Woman: adult human female" are so inspiring!

Flowers to all the women who took part in this - massive respect to you!

geeewhizz · 29/01/2019 00:58

Do you think it's decent to out a woman you claim is a victim of domestic abuse, Lisa? You're a social worker and you ignore the most basic elements of safeguarding because if that's what you truly believe is going on in this relationship - without any evidence as usual - then you have endangered the safety of a woman and her children while taking credit right here for campaigning for women's safety. Is everybody on this thread going to stand by and condone this behaviour?

R0wantrees · 29/01/2019 00:59

The black and white thinking of today's youth and social media emoji culture does explain a bit why we're in this Brexit mess.

It reminds me of a tribal fight outside a pub after midnight.
Someone bumped someone and there were words. People take sides and shout at each other while the details of the original incident are entirely lost.
Lots of people emotional, few people listening or thinking.

(its not a sustainable state)

lisamuggeridge · 29/01/2019 01:01

Gee you need a better hobby. Focusing on a woman you dont know and setting up sock pupets is doing you no good. Have you considered an ice cream maker? Its very soothing to watch.

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geeewhizz · 29/01/2019 01:01

Great work on the gaslighting, 2ndWaveFeminist. While Lisa is challenged on her exposure of a mother and her children to risk you carry on making jokes there.

lisamuggeridge · 29/01/2019 01:01

Not only is it not sustainable Rowantree, its breaking around us. Right now.

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Politelygiveszerofucks · 29/01/2019 01:01

It’s okay Gee. If I understand it correctly, Lisa now seems to be claiming that the woman was making up allegations of domestic abuse and is a fantasist. Which makes it all alright.

geeewhizz · 29/01/2019 01:02

So you're condoning a woman exposing a mother and her children to risk, R0wantree. You refuse to condemn what has been proven here to you tonight - by the OP herself. Well done.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 29/01/2019 01:04

Not only is it not sustainable Rowantree, its breaking around us.

That's what happens when absolutely no variation on the party line is permitted, even when no party line can be agreed.

Politelygiveszerofucks · 29/01/2019 01:06

Remember GeeWhizz, say after me, what we did was brilliant. Is brilliant.

Winston loved Big Brother.

lisamuggeridge · 29/01/2019 01:07

That's what happens when absolutely no variation on the party line is permitted, even when no party line can be agreed.

It really is. Thats the eye opening thing with twitter, watching that party line being held in the face of reality and how it was done. I genuinely was shocked by that. Sometimes talking to party politics people is like talking to a press release.

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 29/01/2019 01:10

And it explains why the tribes doing it are getting increasingly frantic and disjointed, and the ones pulling together for the greater good will ultimately triumph.

lisamuggeridge · 29/01/2019 01:11

And it explains why the tribes doing it are getting increasingly frantic and disjointed, and the ones pulling together for the greater good will ultimately triumph.

I think that., i know everything looks shit at the minute but i still think there are enough grown ups in parliament that that will happen. I do.

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BubonicTheHedgehag · 29/01/2019 01:13

They are desperate!

These men are losing control, and it is so bloody obvious!