A reminder: What we did was brilliant. Is brilliant.

[lisamuggeridge]

What we did was amazing. We pulled the GUardian, Parliament, the House of Lords, the media, out of a position they were determined to have, we changed the debate, we showed women were a political force, we acted, all over the country we acted. In different ways. We were bound by the GRA review and as soon as that was done it was evident that power relations had recreated within a social movement. Yes some people by reflex did things that they would always have done. Now we get to relearn and renegotiate power relations by saying we dont play the way media tribalists did. Whatever fall outs there have been were always going to hapen but we still did that. Thats why htis board is permanently monitored by nutcases and acually the power we demonstrated is directly at the root of the toxic fallouts and is a mark of success in itself. Political spectrum reforming within this movement is alright, but it probably pays to remember how amazing what we achieved was and letting that guide what we can achieve., We changed the conversation we can keep doing that. Easily. By having the conversation we want and not bowing to social media tribalism that hides all sorts of nasties and existing political orgs. And learning in a way they cant.

Yeah that stuff that gets given at Xmas to guys bu5 no one really likes tbh

My dad got an eye wateringly expensive bottle of whisky, because I actually love him.

Thank you for your company, Politely. Such a shame we're being frozen out by the cool girls. But if Posie Parker has taught me anything yet again since, yet again, a woman sought to tear her down, it's that you don't need the support of the mob. I'd rather stand on my own in the playground than have people who behave like need to behave like bullies and schoolgirls to validate themselves. It will be enlightening for Posie Parker to see who supports her when she gets back. As you say, the OP has done us all a favour by yet again providing an accurate record of a crisis. And the vapour trails of a lot of flying monkeys.

I was talking about port kittens

The Notorious Weetabix Banana Horror is the boak-inducing combo of cereal, banana and hot milk as favoured by some on this board - its chiefs pusher is Lang who is unrepentant about this abomination.

Oh dear, I think I'm with Lang on this one. (What I now know to be) WBH is my best parenting achievement to date. My poor DC.

Hope to see you soon terry!

Oh bye bye gee

Buckfast

This is an old link but do you remember the hoohah when all of these stats came out? As I recall the monks were most offended

amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/why-has-a-wine-made-by-monks-at-an-idyllic-devon-abbey-fuelled-an-unholy-row-28521239.html

There was also a really wonderful inteview with Germaine Greer on R4 this evening, inspiring:

"Germaine Greer discusses her passion for Shakespeare and how reading his comedies influenced her thinking for The Female Eunuch; her work championing the work of female writers and painters; how much things have really changed for women; and she shares her thoughts on censorship and pornography and why being outspoken is the best way to provoke change."

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00026y1

(she's 80)

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3492722-Wide-ranging-interview-with-Germaine-Greer-on-Radio-4-Front-Row-why-being-outspoken-is-the-best-way-to-provoke-change

What a wise post DancelikeEmmaGoldman .

Women in the spotlight and - as evidenced on those board over the last three days - repeatedly respected for their achievements by the women on here while being acknowledged to be fallible and human.

Sleep well all.

Flying monkeys leave vapour trails?

Seconded, feministfairy.

Leeks are a nuisance to wash, though. Getting all the grit out of them.

I'm still here littlbrowndog. I don't get bullied out of the playground that easily. I'm happy with the chaps, thanks. A different level of debate. Well, in that they're actually willing to have one rather than harbouring someone who's done so much damage to women while shouting loudly about the sisterhood and slapping each other on the back for... posting on Mumsnet. Going on and on about the rolling back of austerity. Swapping porridge tips.

I really like leeks. I like leek and chicken pie but I have to eat it myself because 'I dont liiiiikkke it its creemy and horrible'. Children dot have taste buds.

Bless you, CaptainKirksSpookyghost. Thanks for paying attention. I knew my time here wasn't wasted.

Heroism and adulation of heroes is a very male trait. The idea that somebody could embody perfection is a nonsense.

We are all human. Women surely must recognise that humans, no matter their ideals, are fallible. We all lose our temper, tell fibs, behave less than honourably, have feeble moments and get swept up in social media outrage. And a million other failings inherent to being human.

Someone can be brave, brilliant and amazing and also be rude, selfish and impatient. Someone can be strong, innovative and creative, while also being unreliable, thoughtless and paranoid.

Instead of expecting the world of the women we admire, and feeling betrayed when they reveal their flawed humanity, we should admire the good stuff, recognise the not-so-good stuff and understand that everyone has feet of clay.

Every women who, at the end of their tether, yelled at a child or bitched about a partner or snapped at a sales clerk recognises that sometimes good people are bad. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call them out when necessary, but that shouldn’t happen just because they have exposed their failings and we’re outraged at their fall from grace.

Would we even be having these conversations if the people we are talking about were male? I don’t think so - we’d excuse their bad behaviour because of their achievements.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman this is so important, thank you.

Flying monkeys leave vapour trails?

Yup. And then conspiracy theorists call them chem trails. It always had a perfectly rational explanation. Flying monkeys.

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''Heroism and adulation of heroes is a very male trait. The idea that somebody could embody perfection is a nonsense.

We are all human. Women surely must recognise that humans, no matter their ideals, are fallible. We all lose our temper, tell fibs, behave less than honourably, have feeble moments and get swept up in social media outrage. And a million other failings inherent to being human.

Someone can be brave, brilliant and amazing and also be rude, selfish and impatient. Someone can be strong, innovative and creative, while also being unreliable, thoughtless and paranoid.

Instead of expecting the world of the women we admire, and feeling betrayed when they reveal their flawed humanity, we should admire the good stuff, recognise the not-so-good stuff and understand that everyone has feet of clay.

Every women who, at the end of their tether, yelled at a child or bitched about a partner or snapped at a sales clerk recognises that sometimes good people are bad. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call them out when necessary, but that shouldn’t happen just because they have exposed their failings and we’re outraged at their fall from grace.

Would we even be having these conversations if the people we are talking about were male? I don’t think so - we’d excuse their bad behaviour because of their achievements.''

I think this is properly at the core of our problme,s of why social media is such a narc fest. I think media has only ever had to consider projecting a perfect image and the fact is noone is, we all need to reflect and none are infallible. Its that reflection that I think this crisis is causing. In weird ways.

Maybe the flying monkeys have little jetpacks.

Bless you, CaptainKirksSpookyghost. Thanks for paying attention. I knew my time here wasn't wasted

It was a question, I'm genuinely curious about how flying monkey would work, how big their wings would need to be to support them. How the vapour trails are created and where they come from. What are they made of, is it toxic, would it be similar to chemtrails?

Cross post

You're excusing years of evidence of the OP utterly destroying women? It's there for you to see! Right now! Pop over. She'd love you to see. Are you seriously saying it's OK for a woman continuously to seek to destroy and distress so many women? They've all been named for you. Karen Ingala Smith, Caroline Farrow, Helen Lewis, Helen Watts, Kathleen Stock, Ruth Serwotka, Posie Parker, Joanie Walsh, Jayne Eggerton. Are you really going to defend a sustained pattern of destructive behaviour that has hurt so many people?

Perfectly put GeeWhizz. Huzzah for Posie!! I doubt the Americans give zero fucks about disgruntled activists who didn’t get their moment to shine.

I cannot understand the mental contortions required to slag her off on your blog, publish her private conversations in an attempt to discredit and isolate her, then come onto MN triumphantly claiming vindication and expressing solidarity with her and all the wims. Apart from those she repeatedly defamed and traumatised.

But then again I have this weakness in that I consistently attempt to apply logic to disordered minds and behaviour.

Wondering if I could put jet packs on my actual kittens
And then jet packs on myself and the kids
Well
That would be the best thing ever