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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Courting the far right is wrong.... part two

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 27/01/2019 15:50

Previously:
Posie is bad, bad and bad.
Sodastream's are under whelming
We need to be nice for the bigger boys to like us.
Camp Coffee is revolting
Evidence is never presented for why our leader and saviour is bad.
Mr frosty is crap, all agree
TimeLady's mum made a camp Coffee cake back in the day.
Also a coffee kisses recipe is found.
The alt-right are mentioned a lot.
Paul McCartney gets a mention
So does Terry Pratchett's discworld.
Mr Fruity is remembered and discussed.
Nazi's were mention by early.
We were told we "need a common enemy"
(Why we need this is presently unknown.)

And now the exciting conclusion....

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 27/01/2019 22:22

Thx Oxy I will and yes will message you with any questions - appreciate that :)

womanformallyknownaswoman · 27/01/2019 22:26

Not one of them supported Corbin
Yet they are like 90% just like me doing ordinary jobs and ordinary life’s
Yet shouldn’t us be the ones supporting him and the left
It seems like on clan chat that Labour is so far away from ordinary ppl

I agree the disconnect between ordinary people and Labour is very, very concerning - the paternalism and wokeness that is Labour PLP is abhorrent.

Vixxxy · 27/01/2019 22:30

You think I’m throwing vulnerable women under a bus? In a choice between no women having rights and some women having rights I’m going with some women having rights so there’s someone left to fight for them.
Quite. Labour plan on destroying womens rights in one swoop. They don't outright admit this, and it might not be the aim exactly, but it will be the result.

I am longterm (probably forever, not something thats likely to be 'cured') disabled, fucked over by the Tories something rotten from all sides really being dependant on various benefits and being 'cured' over and over..however, if there was an election tomorrow, I would have to vote Tory I think. TRA/MRAs want to undo ALL of the progres women have made in the past 100 years. I would rather endure another 20 years of austerity and being personally skint than start completely from scratch in such a way.

Oxytocindeficient · 27/01/2019 22:34

than start completely from scratch in such a way. yeah, that’s highlighting the issue well. This is the most basic starting point. Also, the fact a bunch of entitled misogynistic and aggressive males can so easily have their demands met by labour etc while they expel women like us from their party and call us oppressors? That’s a very bad sign indeed. How easily our concerns are dismissed. It’s almost like Greer was right. They hate us.

LangCleg · 27/01/2019 22:35

Anyone who thinks the Labour Party have policies for working class mothers crumbling under the weight of austerity really needs to try reading the bloody manifesto. 4 times the money committed to removing tuition fees for (mostly middle class) students than to repairing the cuts to benefits in toto. The benefits cap was retained along with a whole list of other welfare cuts that primarily affect women.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 27/01/2019 23:12

Anyone who thinks the Labour Party have policies for working class mothers crumbling under the weight of austerity really needs to try reading the bloody manifesto. 4 times the money committed to removing tuition fees for (mostly middle class) students than to repairing the cuts to benefits in toto. The benefits cap was retained along with a whole list of other welfare cuts that primarily affect women.

Good suggestion and one I rarely do so appreciate the summary - brings it home pretty clearly as they ain't gonna do anything that's not in there.....they really must hate working-class women and mothers (did we ever come up with another term instead of working-class?)

WrathofRancidKlopp · 27/01/2019 23:13

Repeal
Excellent.
Correcting the swittles is a must.

Didn't Jasper Carrot introduce the word 'zit' into common parlance back in the day?

hipsterfun · 28/01/2019 00:06

I wonder how many bottles of Camp they sell a week?

I asked DP to pick up a bottle with the big shop yesterday, so that’s one more than usual this week. Plastic bottle now, though. So wrong.

It’s late for coffee chicory, so I shall report back tomorrow.

(This is Camp’s not-quite-a-Birds-Eye-moment moment, isn’t it?)

WrathofRancidKlopp · 28/01/2019 00:11

Camp in a plastic bottle?
I wonder how many years since it was a glass bottle.

Colour me startled

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 28/01/2019 00:36

For the record I’m a vegetarian and the idea of chicory ice-cream makes me want to heave. But thanks to you lot, I actually bought a box of Weetbix last week, for the first time in decades. I hope you’re listening Weetbix manufacturers, the feminists are giving your profits a boost.

There are many issues which unite people of different political and ideological persuasions.

Opposition to the Adani coal mine in Australia has an opposition formed of groups who are usually political opponents, but they are united in thinking this a bad idea. It doesn’t mean the leftist Greens are suddenly conservative religious, but that they are in agreement with Catholic bishops that the mine is a bad thing.

I’m startled at the idea that feminists will become nazis if they don’t condemn Posie Parker for talking to conservative groups. For a start, respectful dialogue is always useful, but more importantly, there are umpteen million feminists in the world, Posie represents herself and her organisation. There’s no secret feminist cabal

It’s like expecting Australian-born Muslims to make a point of condemning the Paris terrorist attacks. Sharing a belief doesn’t make you responsible for every other person who shares that belief.

I used to teach a leadership exercise. The predominantly male groups constructed a hierarchy of control within the first five minutes. It was a rare group who could resist automatically appointing a leader.

Toril Moi once talked about phallocentricity as a drive for a centrality of control. Plurality is an affront to hierarchies.

But on this thread women are explicitly rejecting social hierarchies and male-dominated political constructions in favour of plurality.

Although the OP and followers are deeply annoying, I think their insistence that feminists agree with their dualist version of events has acted like grit in an oyster and brought into prominence a pearl of wisdom.

CroneXX · 28/01/2019 01:50

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DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 28/01/2019 02:58

I had boiled eggs mixed in with mayonnaise & chopped onions, thin sliced tomatoes with lashings of pepper on soft brown bread.

And I was just on my way to buy some whole meal bread! That’s me sorted then.

FlyingOink · 28/01/2019 03:46

“Of course we aren’t discriminating against women - just the lactators who obviously can be male or female. We’d love to deal with their needs but they are such a small group in our company at any one time."

"You say there is some kind of link between lactators and gestators? You say we might even be able to spot the people who could potentially gestate? No of course not, we just don’t happen to have any of those people in senior positions at this moment, but we do have the full range of genders. Perhaps you could benefit from some diversity training? You seem a little transphobic?”

I can see this could happen.

Batteriesallgone · 28/01/2019 06:41

I’m shocked at the rudeness about vegan food! I’m not vegan but can make some delicious vegan meals.

I am a SAHM and in many ways I feel I have already been erased. However I think there is hope in the new research being done into the importance of breastfeeding. Motherhood matters, but how can we discuss it without knowing what biological motherhood is? If men can also be mothers. It’s madness.

Purplewithgreenspots · 28/01/2019 07:15

I’m not a vegan and I’m sure I am not alone in having nothing against vegan food. I’m a lazy cook and I know having a healthy diet as a vegan takes effort.

Men can never be mothers, no matter how much they would like to take that away from us. I think they find SAHM very scary as they have so much time to influence their children’s thinking.

Oxytocindeficient · 28/01/2019 07:25

Apples and oranges are vegan food! Everyone knows our house is the best place to eat, we cook amazing delicious food and plenty of non-vegans come for our feasts. I even won a baking competition recently for my vegan brownies- not a vegan event either, I got a badge and everything Grin and a mug! You can never get enough free mugs.

Like batteries I already feel affected and partly erased. More infuriated by the day. I have annoying anxiety in public and travel, so I’ve been too afraid to use public loos for ages. I’ll be honest, I’m also too afraid to wear a woman, adult human female top too. My husband wanted to buy us both hoodies but I’m actually too afraid to wear them. And I’m not usually intimidated. I wear vegan t shirts all the time Grin you know things are bad when I’m more scared of publicly saying I’m an adult human female than a vegan!

Oxytocindeficient · 28/01/2019 07:27

Oh, it’s more of a hassle being gluten free than vegan. And I get more shit for it despite it being for health reasons. It kinda freaks my family out when there’s a big lump on my neck! Not even beautiful light and fluffy bread is worth the swelling sadly... oh I miss fresh gorgeous bread. Stuck eating cardboard. GF bread really is bad.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 28/01/2019 07:29

you know things are bad when I’m more scared of publicly saying I’m an adult human female than a vegan!
Grin

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merrymouse · 28/01/2019 07:48

I wouldn't mind the erasure of gender stereotypes.

The problem is that all the biological stuff will continue to happen to women, but we won't be able to talk about it.

TimeLady · 28/01/2019 07:57

I love the idea of swhittle (remember the 'h' Grin).

So every time we see a reference to 'gender' when it should be 'sex', we have an example of a swhittle?

And as I understand it, the more we mention swhittle, the quicker it'll be picked up by the search bots who compile the search engine rankings. Page 1 Google, here we come.

My out of date (2014) Camp bottle is glass. Seriously, it does make a very good coffee & walnut sponge and coffee butter icing. Just use enough to tint to a delicate fawn.

Off to search for some more swhittles...

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 28/01/2019 09:03

I suspect it changed to plastic when the Sikh soldier decided to sit down.

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 28/01/2019 09:45

If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream

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Dragon3 · 28/01/2019 10:13

The left is seems to me to be rich ppl pretending
But they don’t
But they have time to seem like they care

I agree.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 28/01/2019 10:15

They are all people who love control.

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Purplewithgreenspots · 28/01/2019 10:24

I love control. I wish my hair would behave.Grin

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