Courting the far right is wrong....

[OneTimeThing]

...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

I am not frightened of being in a sex segregated place with a transwomen. It has never happened to me. I am not frightened of the abortion laws in this country being rolled back, if I saw signs of it I would fight like a bastard to stop it. But currently I have no experience of that happening either. I am frightened of being told the words to use and the thoughts to think

Absolutely. Freedom of speech is essential. Shouting down by calling out "alt right" is an attack on that. The "anti-fa" brigade terrify me; the intolerance of the left scares me.

Natasha Chart's speech was amazing.

Guess it doesn’t take much to sell out though

I could not care less who is or isn't a feminist or who feminism is or isn't for. What I do care about is the dictatorial left seeking to control speech and thought.

You’re very confused EarlyWalker. The video of Natasha Chart speaking being referred to was only posted in the last 24 hours, she only made the speech in Washington yesterday, you did not see it in an old MN thread.

How can you 'sell out' by talking to other women?

You'd 'sell out' by taking everything that men tell you to do as gospel.

Selling out because we won’t denounce Posie for talking to women who agree on the self ID issue but have different opinions on abortion.

That is so cultish. And nonsensical.

Too me I just hear very clunky, clueless dudishness methodically going through the 'Divide and Conquer Handbook For Beginners'.

"Sell outs.."

Yawn

Next?

Earlywalker

Are you annoyed and endlessly repeating your opinion (which is as valid as anyone elses) because nobody here will validate it?

Or do you think we are not understanding what you say?

Or do you think the more you say it the more true it is?

I stand with feminists on the Self Id issues 100% but no, I will never believe that a woman whom has been directly campaigning for the further oppression of woman’s rights, is joining the cause for the good of woman.

That is your right, but according to the OP we are all tarred with the same brush - we are all one and Posie Parker is head of all the people who don’t support self ID.

You can be anti abortion and anti women or anti self ID and transphobic, but no variations are allowed.

Free speech is such that you can, if you wanted, spend all week expressing the opinion that we (individual people whom are unconnected) have sold out.

It's great isn't it.

It's what I am fighting for.

First deletion - oops. Sorry I said b*lls. Growing up, my cookery bible was The Be-Ro Recipe Book.

Keep repeating the mantra then we will obey.
Keep repeating the mantra then we will obey.
Keep repeating the mantra then we will obey.

Too me I just hear very clunky, clueless dudishness methodically going through the 'Divide and Conquer Handbook For Beginners'.

Yes. If women from the left stand with women on the right on this issue - we are all so much more powerful. That's why they don't like it. This transcends politics - this is about women's rights - a woman's right to define herself a woman.

It just smacks of "everyone I don't like is a fascist" - which once you see though it, has v little impact.

I stand with Posie.

Win or lose, sink or swim
One thing is certain well never give in
Side by side, hand in hand
We all stand together

Great points made in the WoLF petition:
womensliberationfront.org/declaration-of-no-confidence-in-lgb-movement-leadership/
Sexist demonization of women for ordinary political activity – Movement (TRA) leadership generally has no complaints about, or problems working with, anti-abortion Republican officeholders in the US, the Log Cabin Republicans, the UK Conservative Party, or members of the Canadian Conservative Party, to attain goals they’ve deemed necessary. Movement leadership has at times praised the gender identity policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran, where gay men can choose between either execution or “sex-reassignment” surgery. Movement leadership has at times praised the gender identity policies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country whose restrictions on women’s rights are extreme, and where the non-state torture and murder of women by their families is epidemic. Conversely, when the feminist and gender identity-critical women whom you have no-platformed from the left seek any conversation or understanding with people outside the confines of the left, or mainstream liberal politics, we are at best demonized as hypocrites for not demanding allies who share our values on every feminist issue, and at worst slandered as Nazis, fascists, or white supremacists, all for talking with the very same sorts of people as movement leadership regularly lobbies and tries to win over. Movement leadership has organized boycotts of entire US states for opposing them on ending single-sex accommodations for women, while never having coordinated half so much fire and fury over the abortion policies you say should be deal-breakers for us, nor for our access to birth control medication, nor for the lax investigation or prosecution of male violence against women, nor for the excessive prosecution of women’s acts of self-defense, nor for incarcerated women being shackled in childbirth, nor for the involuntary sterilization of racially marginalized women, nor for pay disparities by sex, nor for the closure of women’s reproductive health clinics. You do not likewise demonize people you otherwise agree with for working across the aisle to attain necessary goals or useful compromises, whereas it is clear that your fevered accusations are a hypocritical attempt to politically unperson us and disappear our concerns. Movement leadership stands in front of the doors you have closed to us, in front of the mainstream women’s movement that you hold hostage, braying like a jilted boyfriend that if you can’t have us, no one will. Listen up: feminism is not your girlfriend, or the property of any man. Also, do not treat any women as if you are entitled to our support. To our sisters who bravely continue putting up with the left’s petulant man-baby contingent on behalf of all the other good you are trying to do, please insist that your interests get as much cooperation as the demands of men in drag to be allowed to strip in front of you or win women’s cycling matches. If you are really going to keep putting up with this nonsense, at least demand equivalent compensation.

Right after singing that Paul McCartney was arrested for crimes against music, and rightly so.

Captain

If women from the left stand with women on the right on this issue - we are all so much more powerful.

That's why they don't like it.

Yup

I too stand with Posie.

Win or lose, sink or swim
One thing is certain well never give in
Side by side, hand in hand
We all stand together

I love this, I watch it every year around Christmas time.

So weird I never paid attention to the lyics. Just got captivated by singing frogs.

/derail/

in case anyone didn't know what Captain's reference was to

/End derail/

Great post, bubonic.

Seconded.

I’m not a cult leader coming to brainwash you and tell you to obey me, how strange.

I gave my opinions, I don’t care if you agree. I admit it makes me worry, if feminists don’t join together to condem these sort of people - who will?

I get that Transwoman are the big topic on feminists minds at the moment, just hope we don’t throw too many actual woman under the bus whilst all efforts are on the men.

My aim is not to ‘divide’, you don’t have to be a hive mind to fight self-ID but I think the oppression of woman should always be at the forefront of feminism and I’m surprised people have no issues with anti-woman speakers leading the fight.

anti-woman speakers leading the fight.

Lol.