Courting the far right is wrong....

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...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

anti-woman speakers leading the fight

My aim is not to ‘divide’, you don’t have to be a hive mind to fight self-ID but I think the oppression of woman should always be at the forefront of feminism and I’m surprised people have no issues with anti-woman speakers leading the fight.

What do you mean by anti-woman, Earlywalker? Who are you referring to here?

I think we all know exactly who the "anti-women" movement are here... they're the ones telling us that women can have penises.

I must say, when that Emily person declared the intent to divide and conquer Mumsnet, I was expecting something a bit more sophisticated than fingers in ears and repetition of the same authoritarian demands over and over again to the point where it actually unites rather than divides everyone who'd rather not live in a dictatorship, thanks.

can I just suggest being careful about these sorts of posts? I've just had a look on Twitter and big sections of this thread have had screen shots uploaded by TRAs to suit their agenda. It was my first thought when I opened the thread. It looks as though a group of them have come over here in targeted form, with no intention of engaging in proper discussion.

I gave my opinions, I don’t care if you agree.
That explains why you've been on this thread repeating them for 24 hours, you clearly don't care if people agree.

I admit it makes me worry, if feminists don’t join together to condem these sort of people - who will?

The TRA and you are doing a good job of that. Balance n' all that.

I don’t care if you agree.

(Tries not to piss self laughing)

I've just had a look on Twitter and big sections of this thread have had screen shots uploaded by TRAs to suit their agenda.

We know this happens.

It brings more people here to read the actual thread papayasareyum, several people have actually stuck around because they like the site because of the out of context twitter screen shots leading them here.
It seems to work in our favour.

Yes. Recent tactics do seem to have a more galvanising effect. The gall is enraging and causes a passion to unite and protect women to burn with a white heat.

How do you think most of the transpeople found us?
They were lead here then actually read our views, realised we are not antitrans and stayed.

Well, then, I hope James McAvoy now knows that Mumsnet is fond of him! (Some of us anyway)

Make a thread fun, people will read it. Also make it informative and they will learn.
Get it posted to a wide audience they will swarm here, some will lurk, some will post, some will stay.

We know what your aim is Early - to enforce authoritarian strictures on women so that their freedoms of speech and association are curtailed, and to compel compliance to cult mores. You're being told no. What's more and what seems to be confusing you, is that you're being told no by a wide variety of women who don't agree with each other on other things.

Why don't you go off and have a little think about the WOLF statement as posted by Bubonicpanic and come back and explain to us all the ways in which the transactivist movement "cosies up" to the "far right" and how dreadful you think this is?

Or does the computer just say no at that point of cognitive dissonance?

I've just had a look on Twitter and big sections of this thread have had screen shots uploaded by TRAs to suit their agenda.

This happens all day, every day. We're inured.

you don’t have to be a hive mind to fight self-ID

I’m afraid the OP disagrees.

I’m not a cult leader coming to brainwash you and tell you to obey me, how strange.

Again with the poor comprehension. You’re chastising us for not behaving in a way that is cultish.

Many of us will absolutely, when the time is right, condemn the words and arguments of anti abortionists. Of course. That doesn’t not mean we condemn them as people. They’re not Nazis. The issue at the moment, that Posie is working with them on, is self ID and transgenderism. Not abortion. Again, you’re behaviour is tribalistic and we’re not interested in that.

I've just had a look on Twitter and big sections of this thread have had screen shots uploaded by TRAs to suit their agenda.

So? Why on earth should we care about those unintelligent fools? I’m certainly not going to stop speaking for fear of the twitter mafia! This is about free speech!!!!!

baffled as to why TRAs come over here, start or contribute to threads, but show a complete unwillingness to engage in intelligent discussion. It's almost as though they're unable to fault or critique the opinions they find here...

fair enough @Oxytocindeficient and I'm not afraid either. Just baffled as to what they hope to achieve from it, when they're unwilling or unable to engage sensibly. They come over, add a thread, or add a bit to the discussion, but refuse to engage with any of the responses they get...

How can I see the thread on Twitter? What do you google?
I’m responding to people. I said I’m leaving and you all decided to continue so I stayed.
For people who’s whole point is free speach and everyone having a voice, you sure don’t like people actively doing it.

The general objective is to tell us we are "the pits" and then hyperventilate all over twitter when we don't grovel and beg forgiveness, cos this is apparantly proof we are "the pits".

The wheels are coming off.

Wait, was the thread supposed to stop when Early left? That's not really how it works...

I said I’m leaving and you all decided to continue so I stayed.

Bad posters continuing to talk when your not around, bad bad posters.

The wheels are coming off.

At least 2 different wheels have rolled into separate ditches and are being frantically chased as we speak.