Courting the far right is wrong....

[OneTimeThing]

...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

I stand by my comment that there is no place in feminism for people who think they get to decide what a woman does with her body.

Yes that is your opinion.

That view is very useful for anyone who wants to persuade the many religious women in the world that standing up for your rights means aligning with baby killers.
Very good point

I am not frightened of being in a sex segregated place with a transwomen. It has never happened to me. I am not frightened of the abortion laws in this country being rolled back, if I saw signs of it I would fight like a bastard to stop it. But currently I have no experience of that happening either. I am frightened of being told the words to use and the thoughts to think. And that has happened to me. On here, at work, already happening. What actual difference is there between telling a woman what to do with her voice and telling a woman what to do with her body. As we talk we realise the things that are important to us as individuals, for me freedom of speech and thought is right up there with my concerns for women. I am more frightened of people telling women how to think than I am frightened of the conservative right. I am not sure if I realised that until now so thankyou.

transcribers.

I have to say it gives me the rage when penis people who have no idea what it is to be a woman on girl under male domination, why empathy and solidarity exists between women across time, space and politics or why it is essential that we unite and organise, have the gall to come here and tell women what we should think and do about each other and about women's liberation from male dominance.

Send this memo out to the penis people:

FEMINISM IS NOT FOR OR ABOUT YOU.

Male allies take their cues from people with natural vaginas. If you don't get that, you have no business here.

birdsdestiny
Great post. It is frightening to see people demanding that we believe delusions and ignore science, biology and facts. It makes me frightened for the kind of world we are leaving to our children when even the police are used to enforce belief in a toxic ideology that is doing real harm to some.

These two threads have been a real education and insight.

birdsdestiny

Yep! The freedom of speech issue is massive and we need to fight that using any means necessary.

weriseup

Do you have sons, brothers or fathers? Feminism is for all of us.

No, it really isn't.

Any more than vegaism is for meat eaters or The RSPCA is for saving children. Rebranding feminism is an aggressive means to stop women having a movement for and about them.

Feminism is for all of us.

Where do people get this idea?

Feminism is for the liberation of women under patriarchy.

Or, if that worries you, it's a movement to address the inequality women are subject to, in a sexist society.

Feminism is for all of us

no, really not true

by coincidence feminism often brings benefits to men, because the masculine traits so beloved by gender ideology are very harmful to act out in the long run.

but the point is not to liberate men from oppression. not everything is about men.

Where do people get this idea?
Inclusivity inclusivity inclusivity.
At all costs, because it's always a positive.
People will get confused if there's suddenly something that's allowed to be exclusive in some way.

Inclusivity inclusivity inclusivity

WOMEN MUST NEVER HAVE ANYTHING JUST FOR THEM!

quick! assert that some men have periods too, or some such bullshit

Today is Holocaust Memorial Day.

Today the UK and many other countries remember the consequences of allowing a government to pass laws that remove the human rights of groups of people.

Although six million Jews were murdered, hundreds of thousands were saved by people who had nothing in common with them, often people who held diametrically opposed beliefs, sometimes people who were disgusted by Jews. Often at great risk and at great cost.

These rescuers were not necessarily 'allies' of Jews, but what they had in common was the belief that you cannot simply take away human rights.

When someone tells you who they are listen.

And I am not referring to gender critical people with distasteful beliefs.

Do you have sons, brothers or fathers?Feminism is for all of us.

The men in my life wouldn't fucking dare try to claim any part of feminism.

Do you have sons, brothers or fathers?Feminism is for all of us

it astonishes me that someone who is a fan of Judith Butler, who clearly sees themselves as bright, in the style of a Goldsmiths academic, would be able to post such egregious bullshit

JellySlice

Today is Holocaust Memorial Day

Today the UK and many other countries remember the consequences of allowing a government to pass laws that remove the human rights of groups of people

Yes. This is big.
The consequences of changing a law that erodes human rights of women and Girls

Today is Holocaust Memorial Day.

Today the UK and many other countries remember the consequences of allowing a government to pass laws that remove the human rights of groups of people.

I didn't know today was Holocaust Memorial Day.

I came on to say We Are Looking At The Annihilation Of Woman / Female.

Anyone who wants to stop that happening is welcome.

It’s like owning KFC whilst also addressing everyone as to how badly the chickens are being treated and we should go vegan.

Madness. I stand with feminists on the Self Id issues 100% but no, I will never believe that a woman whom has been directly campaigning for the further oppression of woman’s rights, is joining the cause for the good of woman.

I watched the video. The first thing that comes up when you google Hands Accross the aisle is an old MN thread with a link to that video, the one and only comment on it says something along the lines of ‘there’s concerns about joining up with an organisation like that’ with a link to critical sisters.
Guess it doesn’t take much to sell out though.

I will never believe that a woman whom has been directly campaigning for the further oppression of woman’s rights, is joining the cause for the good of woman.

What about when the policy is only aborting females?

Which women are you standing up for then? The ones who are pregnant or the ones who never get a chance to grow up and be women?

I will never believe that a woman whom has been directly campaigning for the further oppression of woman’s rights, is joining the cause for the good of woman.

Yup. You said it again. Next?

Just give it up, FFS, EarlyWalker. Even you aren't so stupid you can't understand what's happening here.

Women and child protection groups are forming single issue alliances and each is making an individual decision about boundaries - including, shock horror, the right wing or religious groups who also will be thinking where to draw their lines.

For example, here is 4th Wave Now:

Announcement: Our public spokesperson, Brie Jontry, will be a panelist this Sunday at the Stand for Women event in Washington, DC.

Please note that 4thWaveNow will NOT be represented (by anyone) at the Heritage Foundation-sponsored events and panel on Monday.

twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1088820861107351552

Big girls can think complicated thoughts. I know it's s a shock. Campaigning groups can make nuanced alliances. I know it's a shock. This is because the GC movement is wide, disparate and not populated by cultists. I know it's a shock.