Courting the far right is wrong....

[OneTimeThing]

...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

Oh my god, the flipping hypocrisy of trying to lecture us about listening to different opinions when you actually stated that anti abortionists should not get to have an opinion. Oh and plenty of women have said, a stupid amount of times now, that they do not agree with these women, and Posie, on all the issues. I’m absolutely pro choice, since you’re so desperate to keep records of our every thought. But I still would not attempt to silence women who don’t think that. I would attempt to convince them otherwise if they were willing to listen. Indeed, I have, many years ago.

The opinions on abortion on this board are varied. We have had multiple threads discussing it. I can think of at least three posters who have very different (ie religious) views to me, and yet are perfectly capable of civil discussion and agreeing to disagree. One of them very wisely said that we dont all have to come to the same conclusions and that’s liberty for you.

So many women, of diverse ages, religious beliefs, race and class - but the majority of us find a push to remove our rights and protections troubling, and want wider discussion of it in the public sphere.

For that we get policed, threatened, police warnings, punched, intimidated outside meetings, chucked out of pubs, accused of being in bed with Nazis and all sorts of crap. for wanting public discussion of an upcoming change to the law and its implications for half the population.

We arent going to shut up.

I would hear out an anti abortion protestor and debate them on it, of course they are entitled to hold opinions.
I stand by my comment that there is no place in feminism for people who think they get to decide what a woman does with her body. It directly goes against what feminism stands for. There’s churches and mosques and cults for that kind of stuff, it has no place within woman’s rights movements.

Just wanted to add, anti-abortions and anti-contraceptives are most definitely a feminist issue. The fact no one has condemned it, on a forum specifically to discuss woman’s rights is very interesting.
OMG we've failed! We didn't condemn to order. We failed to go off topic to suit your needs.
How awful

Fwiw I’m pro abortion and an atheist.

But no one gets to decide who is and isn’t a feminist.

It’s not that you didn’t condem it, it’s that most people condoned it.
I’ve never told or expected anyone to shut up, I’ve always done the opposite and asked for opinions. It is hard to engage properly though when tons of posters jump on every word you say with the aim of drawing attention away from the actual discussion.

I would hear out an anti abortion protestor and debate them on it, of course they are entitled to hold opinions.
How beautifully magnanimous of you. Women all over the world send their thanks.

I stand by my comment that there is no place in feminism for people who think they get to decide what a woman does with her body. It directly goes against what feminism stands for. There’s churches and mosques and cults for that kind of stuff, it has no place within woman’s rights movements.
As the new arbiter of who gets to be a feminist can I ask if you're planning in increasing the annual fee? I feel that many would prefer the flexibility of paying by instalments.

You’ve asked for opinions so you could tell us how we were wrong in thought and deed.

They didn't 'condone' the anti abortion view. The posters who mentioned it said that women were allowed to have diverse views.

Do you really not understand that this is a single issue campaign? Really?

If we lose our sex based rights, we lose all our rights. I’ll stand with anybody over that one.

Feminism is for all women, even the ones we disagree with.

I’m pro choice. But I understand why people may not be. I will debate of debate is called for but I’m also able to say that ok, we have different opinions on this. That’s ok. You can also be against abortion personally while not seeking to limit other women’s rights to it.

Feminism is for all women, not women who tick the ‘right’ boxes. We don’t need to agree on everything - it’s be weird if we did. I can’t think of a single person I agree with 100% on everything. That’s life.

Earlywalker I wish you could modify your tone so you don't sound like such a mansplainy bloke. It's really grating.

I would hear out an anti abortion protestor and debate them on it

What if they can't be arsed with talking to you because you seem like tedious hard work?

of course they are entitled to hold opinions.

This sounds so imperious "I decree that certain women are entitled to hold opinions".

At 17.20 Earlywalker posted:

And no that woman who is condemning a woman’s right to abortion and contraception does not deserve a voice in a debate in the name of woman, I can’t believe you’d think otherwise.

You really aren’t very sure of yourself

I’m very sure of myself oxytocin that’s pretty much what I’ve just said in different wording?

I’m ‘mansplaining’ becuase people are asking me questions so I’m answering. If you don’t want to hear my answers, don’t ask ffs.

We also got told off for sharing recipes, because we are deemed to be avoiding questions ( demands and repetitive comments actually )

Most people aren’t thick enough to be distracted by banana curry’s tbh

Yes they are.

Earlywalker You’re really not. In one breath you say they’re not entitled to a voice, then the next you’ll debate them. How can you debate someone you’ve already stated is not entitled to speak? What a load of nonsense!

Banana chopped up on the side of a hot curry is nice

If you don’t want to hear my answers, don’t ask ffs.

Tbf I didn't ask. I was making a comment about your tone. It makes you sound like an entitled bloke telling feminists how to do feminism.

I’m ‘mansplaining’ becuase people are asking me questions so I’m answering.

You haven't answered any of my questions, Earlywalker. But then, you never do.

when tons of posters jump on every word you say

No, we’ve pointed out your hypocrisy’s, your inconsistencies, and debated with you about women we disagree with having a voice. You say some pretty terrible things so you can’t expect them not to be raised on a feminism board

They don’t deserve a voice in the name of feminism as in, a voice in the name of fighting for womans rights
I’d debate an individual On a one to one level. Everyone deserves a voice and opinion in general life.

In the same way I don’t think a man should be a woman’s officer, I don’t think an anti woman’s rights protestor should be a spokesperson for feminism.

What if they can't be arsed with talking to you because you seem like tedious hard work?

Or, they can't be arsed talking to you cos you've just spent ages slagging them off and saying they shouldn't have a voice!

I just tried scrolling back to find them oldcrone but I can’t, feel free to ask them again though..

spokesperson for feminism.

And here we are again with the authoritarian understanding of the world. Feminism is not an organized religion. It doesn't have official 'spokespeople'. Women speak for themselves. That is pretty fundamental.

Oh, so they’re allowed a voice in certain circumstances but not publicly? Or in politics? Just wow. How controlling. Who are you to say where and when other women get to have an opinion? Yuck