Courting the far right is wrong....

[OneTimeThing]

...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

I’m more than happy for them to not talk to me! I have no interest in having a conversation with someone who thinks they have the right to tell me what I can and can’t do with my body. If they’re open to discussion I will happily tell them my views.
The protestors that sit outside the clinics have no interest in discussions anyway, which is why they stand there to greet the woman at her most vulrenable time.

Who decides who gets to do anything ‘in the name of feminism’. That’s again like saying you get to decide who is or is not feminist.

You appear to be saying, they can’t have a voice on other feminist issues like self ID, because they’re ‘not feminist’ on the issue of abortion.

spokesperson is being used as a general term. If they are speaking in the name of feminism, I don’t really know the right word.

I still stand by my comment. Some views and beliefs do not deserve a platform. If nazis wanted to start up their own political party, would you say that’s ok because ‘everyone deserves a platform’ no, they do not, not at the expense of everyone else.

Earlywalker
This thread isn't about abortions is it?

Some views and beliefs do not deserve a platform

You've totally blown your cover there mate.

Nazis. Ffs. They’re not rounding up women and gassing them. Don’t be so stupid. They have a different view on abortion to most of us. Again, you’re being confusing. They don’t deserve a platform but can speak away from feminists? Feminist protests? What if they agree like with self ID? No, agree quietly and away from us? Silliness. Your whole position is very hard to follow.

The person Posie is aligning with is an anti-abortion protestor.
I am responding to people who believe that anti woman’s rights protestors deserve a place within feminism.
I’m curious about someone who states they care so deeply about woman, they wouldn’t want to risk the small chance of an abusive transwoman in their toilet, but not enough about them to protect the 1 in 3 woman who do have abortions, right to do so.
I’m obviously alone in my curiosity here though.

I don’t know what you mean blown my cover? Why do you come out with such weird things? Is that like ‘we see you’ oooh man alert, better put my penis away you can smell it through the keyboard. Boring.

Earlywalker
Some views and beliefs do not deserve a platform

There it is right there.

Was the facade getting hard to maintain?

You’re just very disappointed that women are choosing not to be devided and conquered and that we are not as easy to manipulate as you assumed we would be.

who said they’re not curious or don’t think it’s inconsistent to be anti abortionist and yet also GC or anti self-ID? Nobody. Why do you keep making assumptions just because we want to protect the free speech of all women?

Why do you come out with such weird things?

It’s not weird to highlight your inconsistent opinions.

better put my penis away you can smell it through the keyboard.

What happens when someone you deem morally suspect experiences inequality? they get beaten up? They lose their housing benefit? Are they allowed to discuss it without passig your test? Will there be a committee?

It’s all a bit McCarthy trials.

I am responding to people who believe that anti woman’s rights protestors deserve a place within feminism.

And again, a) you don't understand the concept of nuance, clearly, so there's little point talking to you about the many and varied approaches within the pro life movement and b) 'deserve'?

Easy to manipulate as I assumed? I’ve been on MN 5 years and have been commenting on FWR for atleast a year, I wasn’t expecting you to roll over. I enjoy the debate, and hearing opposing views, the level of comprehension and throught-provoking answers has been incredibly poor today though, I must say.
The consensus on anti abortion protestors has just been shocking though, wasn’t expecting that. I thought the feminists were still in there somewhere

One of my dearest and oldest friend is a Catholic priest. I’m an atheist, rad fem, far left, childless, unmarried woman. And I have cats, get my stake ready.

He’s been a religious since his early 20s.

We disagree about many, many things. We have robust debates about theology and climate change and politics and many other things. We frequently agree to disagree. Still friends though.

See, you can value and respect people who don’t think the same as you. You can dislike their opinions but understand where they came from. You can even learn a bit about ambiguity and shades of meaning.

Or you can go in and talk about things you do agree on and have an enjoyable conversation.

Women are not doing as they are told.
Oh dear.

I thought the feminists were still in there somewhere

Oh so now we’re not feminists? For gods sake

What do you do with conservative Christian women who have had abortions? Who believe in women's bodily autonomy but struggle with also believing that a fetus is a potential life worthy of protection?

Or atheist women who are pro choice but concerned about abortion being another tool of patriarchal control from a very patriarchal medical community, particularly weaponised against female fetuses, and embraced by misogynist far-leftist men who don't want to be responsible for their sperm? Who worry about women's safety and mental health in the hands of exploitative medical personnel, and who would much rather see a feminist world where pregnant women truly do have free choices, including a realistic option to raise their child in safety and stay above the poverty line.

Women are complex, their reasons for holding particular views are often complex too. We will never make progress if we're not willing to engage in good faith. Dehumanizing others because we disagree on something is not the way to create a cohesive society. Unless you intend to purge the wrong thinkers...

Most of us initially tried very hard to engage with trans activists, it didn't go well...

the level of comprehension and throught-provoking answers has been incredibly poor today though,

Oh the irony. You can contradicte yourself in a single sentence.

WeRiseUp
better put my penis away you can smell it through the keyboard

Yes, I had a chuckle at that too.

Apparently you're not a allowed to be a feminist if you're pro-life, and you're also not allowed to be a feminist if you don't denounce other women for wrongthink.

Is a handbook coming out with some of this, it seems like it would be handy...