Courting the far right is wrong....

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...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

Depends on whose spirit we are talking about?
Vodka definitely would.

The best thing about this thread is that posters who are no fans of Posie are showing that they have solidarity with her because, in some important areas, they have common cause with her as a woman.

I'm glad to see this going down like a cup of cold sick with those who are trying to cause divisions.

I’m actually currently emailing MNHQ about my deletion

They will make you wait unless you start the email with the code "3&45&CDEFBB1J".

Handy tip, to stop it bouncing.

I thought telling people to fuck off WAS in the spirit of mumsnet

I think to really get into the spirit of things you need to say ‘fuck off to the far side of fuck you cockwombling, fucknuggeted, cuntpuffin’

You missed wankbadger

Wankbadger?
Is that the new CBeebies show?

Oh that sounds rude

I dont mean...you missed wankbadger...i mean

You missed wankbadger

I’m curious - Do you think Christians and feminists may have different reasons for the exclusion of trans people?

the exclusion of trans people from what?

I didn’t just tell people to fuck off, I said ‘you can fuck off with that man/TRA shit’
It’s very much in the spirit of MN to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a man, I wasn’t having it today.

Yet again, respectful debate on MN. Maybe you should just stick to the recipes.

s that the new CBeebies show

Good lord

Has cbeebies changed that much

I knew what you meant!

Wankbadger does sound like it would be an awesome programme for preschoolers

Together we are Feminists and Feminist Allies:
Females are 51% of the global population, and more if you include all children, who must be protected at all costs.
More if you include all our male allies.

We are not in need of being led.
We are not an army.
But we do share a common threat to our freedom.
This is a single issue in which outsiders are trying to divide us.

Genderists must hate us so much.
They target anyone who speaks out.

Do you think Christians and feminists may have different reasons for the exclusion of trans people?

What do you mean by the 'exclusion of trans people'? I'm wondering if you've really misunderstood what some of us stand for (I've said some of us, as I only speak for myself and anyone who agrees with me - other views are available on here).

I’m curious - Do you think Christians and feminists may have different reasons for the exclusion of trans people?

No doubt some of them do. But the Christians involved with the organization we're discussing, Hands Across the Aisle, share the same concerns as the leftist feminist participants. I really urge you to watch their panel discussion from last year and listen in particular to the two conservative women speaking, Kaeley Triller Haver and Kami Mueller. They speak about the safety, privacy and dignity of women and girls, just as the leftists do. Sigh, I think I'm going to have to go all PencilsInSpace and transcribe some of this...

I didn’t just tell people to fuck off, I said ‘you can fuck off with that man/TRA shit’

Smidge difficult for me to see what you said on a deleted post

You should report if you get called a man, they usually delete

the exclusion of trans people from what?

Providing services and protecting the rights of people with bodies of the type that produce ova does not exclude trans people.

"You mustn't be friends with her because if you are you can't be friends with me."

There's a vague air of panic. I suspect it's because each time this issue flares up, even mildly, it makes headway into the public consciousness.

This thread is indeed an education!

They just can't see it. Each "side" must have an ideology and everyone must adhere to it. This is one of the most revealing threads I've seen on here in quite a while.

I was just thinking the same thing. They really do think we are in a repeat of the sixteenth century religious wars and it's a battle of catechisms. It's so bloody revealing.

And indicative too, of the way authoritarianism has taken hold - it's completely beyond the genderist ken that many of us back women with whom we fundamentally disagree on other issues and there's no casting out for wrongthink, but rather passionate discussion on one thing and then on to passionate discussion on another.

Genderists: we're not a mirror of you. That's the worst thing we could imagine. Stultifying adherence to catechism is exactly what we're rejecting.

I referred to a group of particularly nasty TRA’s not even here, as f**kers and got a deletion for breaking guidelines. All sorts of reasonable things get removed so I’m not surprised telling others here to F off was removed.

Someone said either here or another thread that anyone can report posts, even if not members? Is that true? No wonder so much gets deleted if that’s the case.

we're not a mirror of you

Everything has to have a mirror. A man makes himself a non-man, he must be a woman. Transitioning from male to female is a mirror image of transitioning from female to male. The gender identity ideology must have a direct mirror image within gender critical feminism.

It's like arguing with a Turing machine.

You just read what you want to read, to suit your view and what fits nicely into your little box.
The point of the thread was (in a less goady nutshell ‘is feminism moving to the far right’ I’m saying my POV as to why it might be and why I think it may not be a good thing.
It’s easier for you to all just start wondering off topic than actually have a civil debate.

In the instance of the organisation in question - Devout conservative Christians will not want trans people to be accepted at all because they are not ‘as god made us’ or whatever. Feminists do not (should not?) want trans people to not be accepted, they would call for acceptance of them for who they are but do not want them to be seen as their preferred sex in spaces where sex segregation is necessary.
It is two completely different POV. There is common ground between them, of course. But once the lines start getting blurred, they eventually disappear.

The mirror thing explains a lot, the whole ideology is balancing opposites which don't exist in humans.
Boy behaviour is not the opposite, or inverse of girl behaviour, but the ideology tries to force it to be.

Of course this works the other way too. I don't form my political views by checking what Paris Lees thinks and then taking the opposing stance.