Courting the far right is wrong....

[OneTimeThing]

...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

I’ve engaged in many debates on MN, i would say I remain a lot more respectful than some posters tbh.

I’m assuming it’s this woman, based on posies post that she’s doing a video with her?

Courting? Who uses that word any more? It really dates you. You have vey old fashioned views. As a sexist genderist that's not very surprising though is it?

i would say I remain a lot more respectful than some posters tbh.
If the last few posts are anything to go by I'd agree with you, you are, in fact more respectful than some others.

I can't believe people are attempting to have a serious conversation with someone who states that Hands Across The Aisle is a religious organization, and implies that the religion in question is Catholicism, when that organization very noticeably features in its materials and events Miriam Ben-Shalom, who is Jewish.

I mean, points for trying and all, but I think your optimism may be misplaced.

I mean, points for trying and all, but I think your optimism may be misplaced.

I like misplaced things.
I've used lyrics to baby shark, under pressure and others misplaced in my comments on this thread for example.

The only context I ever hear "courting" in nowadays is American religious conservatives (in which case it means something a lot more structured and supervised than what our grandparents meant by it).

So, like, you go on a date, but no touching, and an older relative is watching you like a hawk and making sure the conversation doesn't stray into ungodly matters. It's an odd word to hear from a Brit.

ChewyLouie
India
Not very nice

I have to admit that the Camp coffee label, despite various changes, still relies on nostalgia for imperialism.

I never noticed the label until I heard they’d changed it and looked at it properly.

The camp coffee label is much better now, it was an Indian soldier serving a Scottish soldier tea, then they removed the tray.

Are you sure it’s tea and not, say, coffee they’re drinking?

I think they should’ve done two label variants so they take turns to bring the coffee.

Angryattack sorry are you saying they are not a religious organsiation?

First sentence of their website says this: We are radical feminists, lesbians, Christians and conservatives that are tabling our ideological differences to stand in solidarity against gender identity legislation, which we have come to recognize as the erasure of our own hard-won civil rights.

This is a major section of their website. Every news article about them states they are a ‘religious organisation’ where are you getting your information from?

Are you sure it’s tea and not, say, coffee they’re drinking?
after 100 years of being on the bottle I bet they'd have tea at least once🤣.

Early what part of that statement is difficult to parse? Some of the members are conservative Christians; some are radical feminist lesbians. They joined in common cause against gender identity ideology.

Thank you for the link, Spartacus. Natasha Chart wonderfully raw and powerful.

FlyingOink

We are radical feminists, lesbians, Christians and conservatives that are tabling our ideological differences to stand in solidarity against gender identity legislation, which we have come to recognize as the erasure of our own hard-won civil rights.

You have quoted this sentence, Earlywalker, but you don't seem to have understood it. What do you think they mean by 'ideological differences'? It means that the radical feminists and lesbians might have some significantly different views from the Christians and conservatives, but that they are working together on the single issue of fighting gender identity legislation. It doesn't mean that the radical feminists and lesbians have suddenly been overtaken by an overwhelming urge to become Christians and conservatives.

The sentence you quoted is not actually the first sentence, it's the second. The first one says:

For the first time, women from across the political spectrum have come together to challenge the notion that gender is the same as sex.

Which should make it clear even to the hard of thinking that it is a diverse group of people with different political views.

handsacrosstheaislewomen.com/home/

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FlyingOink
Re India
Grim.

From what I can see, Earlywalker is the only one who had a comment deleted on this thread, within it we were told to F off. So actually, using this thread as an example, you’re the least respectful person here. Stating certain women don’t deserve a voice is not respectful. Repeatedly calling Posie a bigot for working with Christian Right-wing woman on one issue, is not respectful.

Bewilderness said:

3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

'We are radical feminists, lesbians, Christians and conservatives that are tabling our ideological differences to stand in solidarity against gender identity legislation, which we have come to recognize as the erasure of our own hard-won civil rights'

For comparison, look who who was involved in 'Make Poverty History'.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4643683.stm

And here is Pope Francis calling for action on climate change.

unfccc.int/news/pope-francis-releases-encyclical-on-climate-and-environment

The best thing about this thread is we have ideologues completely failing to understand how the "other side" can have diversity of views.

They just can't see it. Each "side" must have an ideology and everyone must adhere to it. This is one of the most revealing threads I've seen on here in quite a while.

This thread is brilliant

I’m curious - Do you think Christians and feminists may have different reasons for the exclusion of trans people?

I’m actually currently emailing MNHQ about my deletion, they deleted it was due to it being a personal attack. Then realised they didn’t know who it was a personal attack too. Then decided they may have ‘got it wrong’ but will leave it deleted as it may not be in the spirit of MN.

I do wonder what the spirit of MN is these days, there’s a lot of vitriol on here.

This is one of the most revealing threads I've seen on here in quite a while.

It is, it's entertaining too, it's being repeatedly bumped so everyone can read it and there's reasons for people to read back.

I thought telling people to fuck off WAS in the spirit of mumsnet

Shows what i know