Courting the far right is wrong....

[OneTimeThing]

...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

FloralBunting - you SO WIN!

Ahem - has anybody noticed on the other thread that Facebook have visitors??

And no that woman who is condemning a woman’s right to abortion and contraception does not deserve a voice in a debate in the name of woman, I can’t believe you’d think otherwise.

A lot of women are anti abortion.

Who gets to decide what is said 'in the name of women'? I certainly have the right to argue my point of view and explain what I feel the consequences are for women if they don't having access to abortion, but I don't think anybody gets to speak 'in the name of women'.

It's not as though we all vote for the president of all the women.

My excitement about the mini cheddars has now been tempered by the realisation that no one has ever loved me enough to buy me an entire box of savoury snacks.......

Thanks Lang I'm going to look for these tomorrow!

This weird idea that people speak for all women rather than give their opinion is weird.
Of course people have a right to air their opinion even if you disagree with it.

Go do some reading on Islam

My partners family are Muslim - what would you like me to read? I agree it has a lot of mysogonistic tendencies, ones that should be aired more widely and discussed. I disagree that PP saying it’s a ‘convert or die’ religion and disputing the fact it is a peaceful religion.
If I said Catholicism was a ‘touch little boys whilst wearing a hat’ religion, I don’t think people would be too happy. Despite the fact that this can and has taken place within the Catholic Church.

I accept that people do not see her comments as islamophic, I think when spanned over several tweets it’s an educated assumption to make. Enough for WPUK to ban her from their talks atleast.

I also think her comment about forced sterilisation of trans people (which was said on more than one occasion) was out of order. I read her blog post about it and it’s obvious a ‘survival of repuation’ Attempt. But no it’s not taken out of context, she backed it up several times on different tweets.

When all of this was happening, I commented on the ‘boycott ocado’ thread, stating that she has a reputation for airing discriminatory views (and no I’m not talking about woman being woman before you jump on) and this obviously means companies don’t want to be associated with her, so wondered when feminists here were so intent on ‘backing her up’

I think the point of the poster (although obviously done in a more goady way) was actually a good one. Is it a concern that this new wave of feminism is becoming more inlign with right-wing people and organisations? A lot of people saying ‘trumps got it right’ people like POsie working with anti-choice protestors. It’s certianly become more aligned with religious organisations. It worries me when that starts happening. No religion has ever been positive for woman imo.

Posie doesn’t speak for every woman obviously. The comments about sending her money were in response to ‘why would she be seen as a leader’ the screenshots were in response to ‘show me proof’

I can’t take your posts about taking Posie out of context seriously, when it happens on every post I write.

I've seen the videos. Posie is connecting with US based radical feminists and lesbians along with Hands Across the Aisle. It is odd to frame this as connecting with anti-choice right-wing extremists. If the anti-choicers were that entrenched they'd hardly be hanging out with and being outnumbered by a load of lesbians would they?

If you want to address marginalisation by treating feminism as a means to whip women, and you want that controlled by a central authority, its rarely going to be the people you are discussing who benefit. Marginalisaion shapes who and how women are thrown to the wolves so its best to just be clear thats a batshit view o what womanhood or feminism is. TRAs picked Posie and because she didnt care about being nice when she knew she was right, this now happens. There is no obligation on her from anyway one else. You didnt want her to be effective you should have known your audience and picked on someone else.. She isnt on this board to defend herself, we are not discussing structural stuff that people have a right to challenge and discuss, we are talking about another weird board as part of a weird pattern of assuming right to monitor and target women as normal. Its not normal and its not ok.

Is it a concern that this new wave of feminism is becoming more inlign with right-wing people and organisations?

As depicted in the attached diagram, religious conservatives have views that agree with both trans gender ideology and gender critical feminists.

Just putting this out there re Islam ‘convert or die’
www.countriesquest.com/europe/spain/history/spain_in_antiquity/muslim_rule/life_in_muslim_spain.htm

And no that woman who is condemning a woman’s right to abortion and contraception does not deserve a voice in a debate in the name of woman, I can’t believe you’d think otherwise

We are getting off topic but least one regular poster on here is anti- abortion. Of course women who are anti-abortion deserve a voice. I'm pro-choice but only within the current UK limits. I do not support abortion to term. Maybe I don't deserve a voice either.

So far as your comments about Catholicism the difference is no Catholic country , no matter hardline, makes apostasy a criminal offence punishable by death. The example you give is an offence against canon and secular law- not part of it.

Of course anti-abortion women deserve a voice. They deserve their right to express their views, and I deserve my right to robustly disagree with them.

As soon as we start policing other women's views and saying they're wrongthink and saying they have no place and don't deserve a voice then we're no better than the TRAs. The "one acceptable view" approach is at least partially how we've ended up in such a mess, it's how we have universities filled with students demanding safe spaces and no platforming. It's dangerous.

Weriseup hands accross the aisle are a religious organisation. The lady within the video (haven’t watched it but I assume it’s her) is the one who attends anti abortion rally’s. They are right wing catholic organisations who don’t agree with contraception, abortion and their last campaign before moving onto the trans movement was fighting against the repeal of the 8th and opposing same sex marriages.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My personal opinion - if you are against a woman having full choice of autonomy over her body, you are not out for the good of woman.

She is just as entitled to air her opinion as you are.
You don't agree, which is fine, but it doesn't mean she should be silenced.

Disagreement is not violence and it's not hurtful.

Your opinion isn't any more "correct" than anyone elses. It's based on life experience just like everyone else, it's just as valid too .q

Listening and hearing other opinions doesn't mean you agree with them.

A lot of women disagree with abortion. It’s a fairly mainstream point of view and I’m not understanding why it is described as a far right view point.

We’re not a hive mind and debate should be encouraged.

Weriseup hands accross the aisle are a religious organisation.

No it isn't.

If it was it would be called 'holding our own hands' or some such thing.

The name means religious conservatives and radical/lesbian feminists coming together 'across the aisle' to work towards a common end.

It is a metaphor for bridging political differences.

Geddit?

SpartacusAutisticusAHF
Excellent link.

The link to Natasha Chart is essential to this thread.
10 minutes of my time and it was well worth it.

Keep going Posie, we're with you.

Genuine question, do you really not understand how respectful debate works?
How listening to another point of view is okay, hearing other experiences is okay and talking about your own?

I love the Natasha Chart speech. We do have to start getting out and making demands. I feel so grateful to Posie and Venice Allan and all the others who have organised.

Earlywalker
The lady within the video (haven’t watched it but I assume it’s her

So you haven't watched it.
You assume too much.