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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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SugarPlumFairy99 · 25/01/2019 14:38

jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

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GrinitchSpinach · 25/01/2019 18:21

For those who interested in the events in Washington DC, Posie and Meghan will speak on a panel, location yet to be disclosed, this Sunday 27 January. The following day at noon Eastern, the Heritage Fdn will host a live-streamed panel, 'The Inequality of the Equality Act: Concerns from the Left' featuring Julia Beck, Jennifer Chavez, Kara Dansky and Hacsi Horvath.

www.heritage.org/event/the-inequality-the-equality-act-concerns-the-left

The Equality Act, if passed, will destroy the rights of American women and girls on a sweeping federal scale. If Democrats retake the Senate in 2020, it is highly likely to pass. American women need to understand this and have the opportunity to discuss it.

teawamutu · 25/01/2019 18:25

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

This, although I do understand Jean's concerns. I don't like being in agreement with right wingers on issues like women's rights, but in situations where the left wing is either asleep at the fucking wheel or actively working to take rights away, I'll hold my nose and reach out with the other hand.

I am still working all this out tbh, but I think 'pick a side and stick to it' is an increasingly unhelpful approach.

OrchidInTheSun · 25/01/2019 18:26

And if you have a problem with individuals within a movement, you don't chuck a big juicy bone to the opposition to point score

vaginafetishist · 25/01/2019 18:29

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

Yes we stand together for all women

GCSocScientist · 25/01/2019 18:30

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

And I’d add, if we don’t stand together we are going to end up being utterly destroyed by MRA and TRA.

You think the Patriarchy likes to see men in frocks.. no they fucking don’t. It demeans masculinity. Do you think the Patriarchy like seeing men in frocks rolling back women’s rights, assaulting us, silencing us, setting the police on us.. you fucking bet they do.

KindOfAGeek · 25/01/2019 18:30

Heritage knows what it's about.

A crisis is an opportunity not to be missed.

OrchidInTheSun · 25/01/2019 18:41

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 25/01/2019 19:08

Well done Jean. I have never supported Posie. I think she is poisonous and deeply anti-feminist. I am glad that Jean has woken up to this and I hope that others do too. Someone who willingly gets on board with right wingers including Tommy Robinson and Jordan Peterson is not a feminist. Her motive has always been transphobic rather than pro-women, as demonstrated by her goody attacks on trans people’s looks. She has also made lesbophobic and racist comments but these have strangely been tolerated by feminists.

Oxytocindeficient · 25/01/2019 19:14

Oh ffs

Dragon3 · 25/01/2019 19:19

Oh Funky, don't be silly.

KindOfAGeek · 25/01/2019 19:25

Whether or not it's Posie's intent, it will be the result.

I assume most of you are just dead naive.

Qcng · 25/01/2019 19:26

I think she is poisonous and deeply anti-feminist.... Transphobic... Terf...
Hmm

GCSocScientist · 25/01/2019 19:26

Jaysus Funky, lets shoot one of our fighters down, why don’t we.

We have so many of them right now.. most, like me, can’t even afford to stick our necks out on social media for fear of repercussions..

Beerflavourednipples · 25/01/2019 19:29

I have never supported Posie. I think she is poisonous and deeply anti-feminist

Why do you think this?

Beerflavourednipples · 25/01/2019 19:31

People in any movement have often 'got into bed with the enemy' in order to make progress, and they have always been berated for it.

It's never simple.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 25/01/2019 19:31

Oh Funky, don't be silly.

What now? We are talking about someone who supports Tommy Robinson fgs. I mean what more can she do to show her real colours before someone dares criticise her? Seriously.

On one hand, you have someone like Jean, a survivor of male violence, working tirelessly to campaign and help victims, despite facing serious health issues. On the other hand, you have someone who openly supports people who are blatantly against feminism. Who makes disparaging remarks about the appearance of people- not just trans, but lesbians too. Who has made racist remarks. Who says that trans men should be sterilised. Who, apart from fronting this campaign, has done very very little to call herself a radical feminist.

My words will fall on deaf ears because I have raised this before and been shouted down. I don't care though. Nothing, nothing is worth getting in bed with the far right. Seriously- they are not supporting women- they have their own reasons and they are not feminist reasons. Giving them power will be an utter clusterfuck- worse than anything you could imagine. It chills me to the core when I hear people say 'oh well, we have the same goals so we should work together'. Do some homework on what these groups stand for. Yes, they will tolerate you if you are white and heterosexual, but they sure as hell won't if you deviate from that.

Doobigetta · 25/01/2019 19:35

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 25/01/2019 19:38

Why do you think this?

I have listed some in my other post. Remember that she was banned from WPUK for comments about calling for trans people to be sterilised. If you go back years and years, she has a history on MN for starting threads with racist undertones. She happily poses for photos with Jordan Peterson. She supports Tommy Robinson. She has made comments on social media that berate lesbians and their appearance. If you dig, there is plenty of stuff there.

There are so many women with integrity fighting this fight. Jean, Rosa Freedman, Kathleen Stock and many more. Do we really need someone whose main contribution is making provocative remarks and feigning wide-eyed innocence when people get upset by them? Someone who will happily join forces with those who believe LGBT people should be eradicated?

Iused2BanOptimist · 25/01/2019 19:39

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

And what Sandy said * I won’t say shame on any woman who is putting her neck on the line on a subject that has left her open to endless abuse.
Come back to me when you’ve made the impact she has and then we can discuss shame. What bollocks.*

My understanding is that the USA is problematic because only the religious right are standing up against the trans nonsense at present. The UK these days is largely agnostic if not atheist so many people struggle with the USA religious right. But should one dismiss senior doctors such as Dr Quentin Van Meter or Dr Michael Laidlaw because they are open about their religion? Freedom of religion is a human right ffs.
Personally I find the feminist pro abortion/a woman's choice mantra a bit of a struggle at times, there has been a recent thread elsewhere on Mumsnet about allowing abortion right up to term if that is what a woman wants. I'm not anti abortion but I've had enough dealings with it (professionally) to know that usually it is what a man wants or at least the failure of a man to take responsibility for his 50% contribution that leads a woman to have an abortion so I don't see it as a black and white woman's choice. And late abortion is a nasty business full stop.

But anyone who stands for biology, truth, freedom of speech is someone I want on my side.

As for Haddock, if he had any sense he'd delete his twitter account and try to rescue his career. He can keep digging as far as I'm concerned, soon policing twitter will be the only occupation left to him.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 25/01/2019 19:40

Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

Nah, can't get on board with the racists, the homophobes etc. So no, I don't support someone just because she has a vagina. Soz.

terryleather · 25/01/2019 19:40

Who, apart from fronting this campaign, has done very very little to call herself a radical feminist.

I don't think Posie has ever claimed to be a radical feminist Funky, so you can remove that from her list of crimes.

Needmoresleep · 25/01/2019 19:41

I think it is interesting that Posie and Jean are possibly two of the women that people like Harrop dislike most.

Both are strong, independent, uncompromising, brave and opinionated.

Do I think I would find either easy company. No.
Do they fit into a "nice" female socialisation. No.
Do I expect them to get on with each other. No.

Do I think both are brilliant in their different ways. Absolutely.

In contrast I know people like Funky, always happy to lecture on right-think. It is very tedious being judged, and about six months ago I decided to cut myself loose from that group of friends. So for the record, I think Jeremy Corbyn is dull dim and anti-Semintic, I often find myself agreeing with the Daily Mail especially on women issues (though filtering out some of the rest), and I remain unconvinced that men can become women.

We are all feeling our way. Posie is right to identify Twitter and ultra-rich US teckies as a real barrier to free speech. If she thinks this platform will be useful, she should use it. She may be right or wrong but she has to trust her instincts.

Actually Funky you are more like my mother in law, stuck in her sneery superiority

Needmoresleep · 25/01/2019 19:43

Funky, what have you dont for women?

If it is a 10th of what either Jean or Posie have done, I will be impressed.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 25/01/2019 19:43

And late abortion is a nasty business full stop.

Which is why it is virtually unheard of unless there are serious fetal abnormalities. The late abortion thing is always thrown at feminists to get us to admit that we are wrong. But in reality, if abortion is offered, women will terminate as soon as possible. Oddly enough, they aren't heartless witches who want to go right to term and then abort. It's a complex situation, but ultimately, you have to give women the right. And strangely enough the people who are so 'uncomfortable' with abortion limits aren't so concerned about the fact that a fetus with abnormalities can be legally aborted with no time-limit at all.

Coyoacan · 25/01/2019 19:46

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together

I seriously admire both Posie and Jean. They both put the best of themselves into this.

I can't remember who suggested Posie Parker should be awarded the Turner Prize, but she really should.