Jean Hatchet, new blog post

[SugarPlumFairy99]

jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

You can't have one extreme without the other - and somewhere in all of that they manage not only to resemble each other, but to constellate each other.

Rowan I’m disappointed you haven’t apologised to JessicaJonesJacket after being so patronising to her and mistakingly assuming she knew nothing of Jean Hatchet. Especially since your post with JJJ objected to has been deleted by MNHQ.

It can be daunting to post on the FWR forum because there are several posters who know each other well and naturally have in jokes, and personally I think there can be at times a looking down on others - who may be genuinely new or bane-changers- or a failure to acknowledge their posts and be welcoming. Which is why I think this particular thread is so refreshing to see: opposing and interesting constructive points by a wide number of posters who are mostly unified on gender critical issues.

I’ve been in threads on MN with Posie under various names for at least 9 years, and seeing her develop into an activist has been surprising and quite great.

Jean Hatchet is fantastic and personally I agree with her on this. This thread has got me thinking about the hierarchy of issues for me, given I’m not particularly party political.

Self-ID and gender criticism is one of the most important issues for me now, but for at least 20 years before that became pertinent I’ve been an avid suppprter of pro-choice. I would find it hard to attend and speak at an event supported by a pro-life group. That would feel like betraying my younger self.

As you are no doubt aware, Posie Parker can't respond on Mumsnet as she was targetted by TRAs here and received strikes resulting in her being banned.

Doesn't read like an opinion. More a direct cause and effect statement attributing the ban to outside influence from activists targeting Posie, with no hint that Posie's own actions might have had something to do with her getting banned.

It's misleading to people reading who weren't around when Posie was still posting here. The reality is that she was largely hoist by her own petard and was not remotely willing to keep within TGs.

I posted Jean's tweet on the thread on exactly the same basis as on this thread and others I have linked videos of her speeches, her award, her work... these are her words.

Its not a coincidence that Jean and Posie shared a platform in Truro and the event was called, 'Let A Woman Speak'

The reality is that she was largely hoist by her own petard and was not remotely willing to keep within TGs.

And that would be your opinion Wonga

Have to agree with 'dubbegoodtome'. This forum is not at all welcoming to new posters, and can appear very cliquey. Since I started posting, just recently ( September) only a handful of people have acknowledged, or even responded to me, and two of those felt. hostile and combative.

DubBeGoodToMe Parker's campaign is about free speech, opposition to silencing of women's voices and the exclusion of women from development of public policy. If we don't overcome this initially none of us will be able to ever say anything about abortion or any other issue that affects women in the future.

This issue affects all women of all political persuasions and none.

But it’s not the same basis - a protected tweet is different to publicly shared work. I’m not clear from your response to Jessica whether you had obtained JeanH’s prior permission - did you?
Have the other screenshots of her work that you’ve posted been deleted by MNHQ and if so, why?

Regardless, it was the way you assumed Jessica wasn’t ‘in the know’ and dressed her down for it that I found off.

Love Ann's tweet! Looking forward to seeing what else the Women Standing Up have in store for DC this week, and whether it gets any media coverage.

is my opinion and there is plenty of evidence that Posie Parker has been targetted by TRAs on all social media platforms including Mumsnet. Just as have many women, transsexuals and men who put there head above the parapet.

Stating that fact doesn't also mean that PP hasn't and doesn't also challenge rules and guidelines.

i completely and utterly agree with r0wan

She did both...she was absolutely targeted, ive seen exactly the same tactics used with other posters

Posters have been targeted on FWR...thats a fact

This forum is not at all welcoming to new posters, and can appear very cliquey.

You are correct and I have been on the receiving end of it. However I still like it here and have great deal of respect for the regular posters. I’m sure anyone who’s lurked for long enough is well aware that the suspicion/cynicism is caused by heavy targeting of this board by trolls that has been going on for YEARS. I also appreciate the fact that they have taught me that there is no need to ‘be nice’ just because I’m female, that has served me well in real life.

The reality is that she was largely hoist by her own petard and was not remotely willing to keep within TGs.

Imagine, someone who is a huge advocate of free speech refusing to keep withinTG’s

The TGs went through a period of changing every 5 minutes

Ive no idea what happened with poise except what ive already said

But for a period of time on here people were being deleted for yawn and bless...three strikes and youre out, but no warning given that what youd just said was a strike

And it was opened up to any random to complain...not even doing members on here the common courtesy of being listened to

And it seems to depend on arbitrary rules that are enforced when someone feels the urge

Ive no idea what was finally the end of posie on here...targeting or self immolation

But i dont think anyone else on here knows for definite either

This forum is not at all welcoming to new posters, and can appear very cliquey. Since I started posting, just recently ( September) only a handful of people have acknowledged, or even responded to me, and two of those felt. hostile and combative

IMO this is the case for every forum on the Internet. You have to lurk a bit, make a few tentative posts which are probably a bit clunky and at odds with the culture so you either get ignored and flamed and then you get it. Its a bit strange to suggest this is peculiar to Mumsnet. Maybe the fact that we pushed babies out of our fannies means we're expected to do a bit more 'babes' and 'hun'-ing?

Most of my deletions are for my views on what constitutes child abuse. I have also been deleted for my views on avocados though!

Repeal the GRA: Have to say I, personally, don't like it much here; but having woken up to the whole transgender issue find it necessary to come here to be informed. I don't do twitter or social media. Thank goodness for my local Re-sisters.

The lack of ‘huning’ Is what I like about this place!

Oh yes

I forgot the wholesale breakfast deletions

I had to lurk for bloody ages

Im still terrified of AIBU and i start very innocuous threads

Or boring...maybe the word i want is boring not innocuous

Posters have been targeted on FWR

And remember that the special trans guidelines weren't always there. They were developed because a load of controlling dickheads descended upon Mumsnet making threats about what women are allowed to say otherwise they would sqweam and squeam until they were sick. MNHQ were bricking it and winging it - trying to hash together new rules. It was in this climate that PP was banned.

Justhadathought

Glad you’ve found people off line, I much prefer offline, real life activism too. This board is a huge font of knowledge though, the women here really know their shit.

Justhadathought

I suspect that many of us struggle at times on here for all sorts of reasons. Navigating the guidelines, trying to keep up on threads that move so fast, trying to express difficult feelings / issues sensitively. It is incredibly fast moving and it often feels that individual comments get lost in the flow.

RepealTheGRA "the women here really know their shit."

Yes, of course they do. They have spent a substantial portion of their lives cleaning and caring for the backsides of the whole of humanity. [Unlike the vast majority of men.]

The reason people who are have put their head above the parapet standing up for women's rights and safeguarding while questioning trans-ideology sometimes temporarily lock their twitter accounts is because they are being targetted with mass reports by TRAs.
This often happens after a wave of 'successful' reportings when women especially receive temporary bans etc.

Sometimes women lock twitter accounts because they are being targetted by specific individuals.

Its a defensive measure against bullying tactics.
The bullying tactics are intended to silence women and prevent them from sharing their views especially on public space platforms such as Twitter.

JackyHolyoake

Hahahahahahah