Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

That's why she isn't allowed to post here any more and it's disingenuous to suggest she's the victim of some concerted outside effort in this instance.

I thought the final straw was when she said if Stella Creasy was able to define the word ‘woman’ she’d drink a bottle of prosecco through her nose? Sadly I can’t reference the thread as it was deleted, apparently pointing out to politicians they’re talking shit is ‘against talk guidelines’ and ‘not in the spirit of the site’.

That's why she isn't allowed to post here any more and it's disingenuous to suggest she's the victim of some concerted outside effort in this instance

As far as I remember she was pissing MNHQ off AND being targeted by concerted outside effort

Multi tasking

The thing is, if we are talking tactics to achieve a political aim, and we simplify that aim to be getting it agreed in law that women are women because of biology and not pink-and-girly-ness, then the tactic of patiently engaging with TRAs and vetting everyone on our side for wrongthink hasn't been very effective has it?
What has been effective is getting the message out. Via stickers, fundraising, meetings, t shirts, YouTube, or going to America to meet with conservatives.
Previous posters who claim saintly victimhood for lesbians or minorities have failed to gain a mandate for their views and certainly don't represent lesbians, minorities or anyone except themselves.
The implication that I can't engage with a conservative without either tainting myself or filling my little lady-brain with evil wrongthink is extremely patronising.
Personally this issue means a lot to me, so much so that I have decided to become a single issue voter. Single issue politics in the US has been extremely powerful - the widespread restrictions on abortion are due to single issue voters who refuse to back candidates that don't agree with them on that one point. Other right wing points, such as immigration or economic policy, become almost an afterthought to this voting block.
This takes a certain amount of stubbornness to do; one could argue that only the privileged could afford to pursue single issue politics as most people's politics are more driven by their personal situation. Maybe, as previously mentioned privilege isn't a binary thing, and one can be privileged in one respect but disadvantaged in another. It's still going to be my tactic, and I support whatever alliance achieves the aim I want. It doesn't mean anything more than that, and if you want to continue to insist it does, rock on.

I stand 100% with Posie.

There's a 'network' that monitors FWR chat. Some of these are friends of his.

Do they monitor other sites? There are some male dominated ones where I have seen actual transphobia. Or is it a bit like that twitter feed that had loads of men detailing quite savagely why they would never date a TW, and there was not a single TRA to be seen?

It was definitely SC and nose-Prosecco. Think I have the thread saved somewhere...?

Do you want the short answer blue (no), or the longer one (hahahahaha, no.)?

Do they monitor other sites?

I reckon it is just the small matter of trying to control and destroy anything for women - blokes are fine left to their own devices. These are dick entitlement activists and their mad munschhausens allies after all.

I'm still mystified as to why a male NHS doctor is so preoccupied with monitoring women chatting on Mumsnet. It's so random.

The day Dr harrop is the arbiter of all that it sensible or moral is the day hell freezes over

Anne Ruzylo

twitter.com/sargesalute/status/1089208049527603200

Fuck. Is Anne Ruzylo a far right LGB hating Nazi? Do I have to denounce her now?

I’ve previously thought she was a wonderfully compassionate, principled woman who cared deeply about vulnerable and marginalised women. Perhaps someone with a ballbag will be along shortly to explain to me how wrong I was.

R0wantrees
That's excellent. Well done them

Taking the message straight to Twitter and Facebook. Brilliant women!

R0wan you're wrong on every count. I'm able to see Jean's tweets. I've donated to her campaign. I've known Posie, Venice, Nic, Julia, etc, since before they took public positions. I just didn't think it was appropriate to post a protected tweet on a public forum. Considering how many private tweets and facebook posts have been leaked lately, I was being cautious.

I am not denouncing Anne. I may don a ski mask and do a James Bond type delivery of way better chocolate than Milk Tray to her. Amazing woman.

Anne Ruzylo

twitter.com/sargesalute

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I have massive respect and admiration for both these women. I respect Jean Hatchet's stance and reasons for not attending meetings she didn't hold with, and equally, respect Posie Parker's right to arrange whatever platforms she can to maximise publicity. It's so easy to sit on my sofa clicking 'like' or retweeting but these women both get up and put their day to day lives on hold to push for all women. The least we can do is back them fully.

As an aside, I am right leaning. I believe in a woman's right to choose and have had an abortion. I don't expect any political party to reflect my attitudes fully, nor do I think I'd wish them to. I am still unsure why Tommy Robinson is cited as racist, I know he is incredibly against Islam but that's not racism. I don't know a lot about him but I do loathe the liberal trend in the USA and here for No Platforming. Heck, I even support Dr Harrop's right to blather on and on. Enough rope and all that.

The day Dr harrop is the arbiter of all that it sensible or moral is the day hell freezes over

The misogyny goes without saying. It's the public display of over-investment in the discussions of women that I find...particularly odd. And the undisguised anger. Especially for an NHS doctor. Oh well. His call. It doesn't reflect well on him.

So in conclusion, despite all the accusations, no one provided any evidence that Posie is a racist. 🙄.

Good. I like her. She’s sassy and to the point, and passionate and articulate She’s an asset to this cause - no wonder the TRAs keep gunning for her.

Isn’t everyone tired of these ad hominem attacks, where rather than say why someone is wrong, we have to hear they shouldn’t be allowed to speak cos they once met someone who someone else thinks is a fascist. I think the issues speak for themselves. No wonder they want to shut us up 🙄🤐

10.1.2019 Jean Hatchet twitter:

"As I understand it #WomenStandUp global week of action is for all feminist women defending women’s rights ... not everyone will agree on all points. Not every one can do massive things. Small things are good too. Do what you can or feel like. I reckon mine will involve a bike"

Jean Hatchet's Riding for Murdered Women & raising funds to help victims of domestic violence :
uk.gofundme.com/ride-for-murdered-women

Petition started by Jean Hatchet:
'Women need you to stand up and declare that your refuges are only for the safety and recovery of women who are victims of domestic violence.'
www.change.org/p/katie-ghose-keep-out-of-women-s-refuges

Rufus is bang on. There wa some very thorough pissing-off MNHQ that Posie didn't need any outside assistance with bringing to their attention.

R0wan it's great that you document all the things, but records lose credibility when they leave out large parts of the picture that aren't convenient to the record-keeper’s narrative. You may not see those omissions as disingenuous, but they do seem that way from other perspectives.

It was Posie's choice to continue to break TGs in the face of plentiful warnings from MNHQ. No one forced her to type those things and hit the post button.

WongaGoneWronga you mistake the fact that I often reference or link sources to my posts with being a 'record keeper'

I am also allowed my opinion and observation

It is my opinion and there is plenty of evidence that Posie Parker has been targetted by TRAs on all social media platforms including Mumsnet. Just as have many women, transsexuals and men who put there head above the parapet.

Stating that fact doesn't also mean that PP hasn't and doesn't also challenge rules and guidelines.

Please do not accuse me of being disigenous. I am not.

(their obviously )

Isn’t everyone tired of these ad hominem attacks, where rather than say why someone is wrong, we have to hear they shouldn’t be allowed to speak

Very. It makes it clear there are no counter arguments, just increasingly desperate attempts to smear and discredit individual speakers. Don't they say in rugby, play the ball, not the man?

Jeez I remember Posie Parker from back on the day when she was on here a decade ago talking about what being a SAHM and what a high earner her DH was, turning up at Riven's house with a cake when David Cameron was visiting.

She's a principled, photogenic person who couldn't blend into the background ten years ago when MN was all fields..she's found a drum to bang. Let her work away.

I agree with a lot of what she says, not all of it. I have no problem with Jean saying that.

I'm still amazed at how these things can spread so quickly.

From a single Liverpool billboard (and taken down before its time) to a demo about Facebook HQ in Washington DC, 'woman: adult human female' continues to expand throughout the cyberblogosphere.