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Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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SugarPlumFairy99 · 25/01/2019 14:38

jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

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GrinitchSpinach · 26/01/2019 11:55

It's a bit confusing. Both are part of "Women Stand Up," a "week of action" January 26-Feb 2 organized by a few groups including Standing for Women and Women's Liberation Front.

Here is the description from WoLF of what I think is the Sunday event (but it is unclear!):

The event will include a We Need To Talk panel event featuring: Meghan Murphy, Canadian journalist and founder of Feminist Current; Jamila Bey, journalist and public speaker; Kara Dansky, feminist, lawyer, and WoLF board member; Brie Jontry of 4th wave Now; and Posie Parker as panel moderator. The week will also include a range of meetings with officials aimed at delivering a clear message to Facebook, Twitter, and other content companies, that women will not be silenced and will stand up.
womensliberationfront.org/women-stand-up-2019/

Oxytocindeficient · 26/01/2019 12:01

so when someone pops up saying "we should all hate X" it may be wise to consider why they might be trying to steer people in that particular direction at that particular time.

Quite.

NotTerfNorCis · 26/01/2019 12:02

This is another way of silencing. As soon as anyone airs any differences with another gender critical feminist, the TRAs leap on it as a sign that we're badly divided and our ideas are fundamentally wrong. So we have a choice between having a dogma that no one is allowed to stray from - like the TRAs do - or leaving ourselves open to TRA attacks. I choose the latter.

N.b. Jean says this on Twitter:

[Dr Haddock's post] is full of lies. No one on the right or any right wing organisation paid for Posie and Venice’s US trip. This is absolutely outrageous and should be retracted immediately.

WeRiseUp · 26/01/2019 12:02

I have changed perspective a lot in the past few years regarding purity. I realise that I was pretending to see things I didn't see and pretending to not see things I did see in order to be nice, inclusive, right-on and politically correct. I used to be quite dismissive of certain concerns and give more weight to others in order to counteract social inequality where some groups are privileged and others are disadvantaged, in order to be progressive.

However the truth is that privileged people, although they naturally have a massive blind spot to disadvantage, can be very decent people - not having to fight tooth and nail for survival brings the freedom to let moral principles guide their actions. Disadvantaged, oppressed and marginalised people are often hard to handle, unpredictable and lash out unexpectedly because they easily feel threatened and unsafe having had lived experience of dependency, betrayal, indignity and disrespect.

Maybe its since the Brexit referendem I think too much labelling and not enough listening goes on, so now when swathes of people are labelled as no more that 'racist' or 'bigoted' it just doesn't have the same ring it used to. It no longer means 'there is nothing of value this person has to say' instead it can sounds like the person saying it is being a bit lazy and controlling.

Oxytocindeficient · 26/01/2019 12:03

I know I’ve posted this in the thread already, but for newcomers, for fun, for the person accusing Posie of ‘not being very bright’, I give you a fine example of just how clever and bright she is... and also another chance to laugh at Dr Harrop, it’s such fun

AngryAttackKittens · 26/01/2019 12:05

I'm not sure why anyone would believe anything Harrop says, given his track record. Especially when it's about Posie, after how thoroughly she embarrassed him on telly.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/01/2019 12:07

That screencap will never stop being funny. He looks completely demented.

Datun · 26/01/2019 12:09

Especially when it's about Posie, after how thoroughly she embarrassed him on telly.

I know, right? I'm still gobsmacked that he can't see that his ranting makes him look furiously chippy and even more thoroughly rinsed.

WeRiseUp · 26/01/2019 12:11

Has anyone noticed how many extremist TAs have the demented stare where you can see an abnormal amout of the white of the eye at the top of the iris? A lot of the time I can't look at their pictures because they look like such psychopaths.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/01/2019 12:13

The crazy eyes. It's true, quite a few TRAs have them, though Harrop more so than most. You half expect spittle to come flying out of the screen.

WeRiseUp · 26/01/2019 12:13

Can't believe I didn't put a u in referendum.

Oxytocindeficient · 26/01/2019 12:13

WeRiseUp Wow, I have had such a similar thought process and experience. I was once a very liberal feminist who wouldn’t dare talk to anyone perceived as ‘right wing’. I am so glad I’ve moved on from that kind of thinking.

I consider myself very privileged, now. But I am a mixed race person and had to live with a violent racist father who later caused the death of my stepMum. My native language was banned from being taught when I started school. I had to flee my home at 16, while my mother whom I loved did very little to help me. I’m a victim of indecent assault from a teacher at 11, gang rape by boys aged 15, and have multiple chronic illness. I’m still massively privileged in many ways as an older woman with the means to support myself and make choices others can’t. I can ‘pass as white’ in a way my family can’t, therefore experiencing white privilege in a way- sometimes. Things, life, are complex. There is no line you can draw between marganalised and privileged. It’s a simplistic way of seeing things and very unhelpful.

Don’t let them divide us into marganalised v privileged women. We are all women. We can and should listen to each other. With kindness, with empathy and with respect.

AnyFucker · 26/01/2019 12:15

Did Jean protect her tweets recently ?
I can't the latest linked one.

AnyFucker · 26/01/2019 12:16

Can't see

WeRiseUp · 26/01/2019 12:18

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AngryAttackKittens · 26/01/2019 12:19

Eek.

WeRiseUp · 26/01/2019 12:19

Don’t let them divide us into marganalised v privileged women. We are all women. We can and should listen to each other. With kindness, with empathy and with respect.

Hear hear. And Flowers

ChewyLouie · 26/01/2019 12:25

Absolutely right Oxytocin the bottom line here is supporting women’s rights, everything else is secondary in the current climate.
💐from me too.

ChattyLion · 26/01/2019 12:28

Flowers this is such an excellent thread.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/01/2019 12:28

TRAs desperately want women to forget the things we have in common and focus on our differences instead. We're not going to.

BeyondShattered · 26/01/2019 12:36

Yy AAK! And Flowers to oxytocin

Bluestitch · 26/01/2019 12:47

I like this response to Harrop trying to claim all GC people must be far right.

Jean Hatchet, new blog post
LangCleg · 26/01/2019 13:02

Well said, Oxytocindeficient. And Flowers for you.

RepealTheGRA · 26/01/2019 13:07

Oxytocindeficient Flowers

I’ve always liked Mick Murphy.

R0wantrees · 26/01/2019 13:08

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