Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

The difference is, the Good Friday Agreement was negotiated between 2 positions of equal power, and this is unequal.

GC =/= feminist.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class.
Andrea Dworkin.

I cannot ally myself with a group that is agitating to remove abortion rights in the US.

As for heterosexual women who aren't confused about their sex having less to fear from right wing religious nuts. What is the handmaid's tale based on?

Perhaps Margaret Atwood wasn't prescient enough to see that the normalisation of Handmaids will come from the left - beginning with commercial surrogacy and the 'right' for gay men and 'transwomen' to traffick and buy babies....

Posie is amazing. I don’t need to agree with her every view to think she has been incredibly brave and eloquent. I don’t expect to agree with anyone’s every view.

I like Jean H very much but I wasn’t very impressed with that blog post. It seemed to conflate not having a great trip with not agreeing with views she was exposed to. It actually seemed like a bit of a whinge.

I cannot ally myself with a group that is agitating to remove abortion rights in the US.

Neither can I.

I cannot ally myself with a group that is agitating to remove abortion rights in the US.

Absolutely your right and I don’t think anyone here is suggesting anyone that doesn’t want to, should. But the left are doing far worse in my mind right now. They’re erasing us and our right to name ourselves, our right to set boundaries and gather, and that is going to make everything we fight for extremely difficult.

Floisme- if you listen to PP's interview with MM,that is exactly the point she makes.

Our strength was never ideological cohesion. Quite the opposite.

Indeed and exactly. As evidenced by the absolute hysteria and frenzied virtual wanking going on in certain areas of the Twatter.

I get to decide if I have been insulted.

PC Gul and the Police Commissioner of Humberside would agree!

Its a shame if she has taken the post down. Its important she can write it and be suported in doing so.

You're playing right into their hands - they'll be on this thread grabbing screenshots and sharing them to prove what a bunch of bigots you are, that GC feminists are actually just a bunch of bigots, and removing any credibility we've managed to achieve. Well done! Big pat on the back!

There aren’t any posts on this thread that are worthy of screenshots in my view, but it wouldn’t be the first time comments have been screenshot from FWR out of context as “examples of transphobia”. Celina people see what they want to see in this regard.

Certain*

What are Celina people?

Aah, you've clarified, thank you!

GC =/= feminist.

This is very true and nor does it need to be.

There were both left wing and right wing cases for both Brexit and Remain. There was a little bit of platforming sharing for both and a lot of solo campaigning for both. And a few blinkered idiots who couldn't see beyond tribe who distracted from the actual issues at hand by endless ad hominem of guilt by association.

No difference here.

Did she Orchid? I'd better check it out .

(I'm not sure why I've put a grin there - it really isn't funny.)

No idea where that auto correct came from.

Its a shame if she has taken the post down. Its important she can write it and be suported in doing so.

Yes. I support you, Jean. You must say it how you see it and ignore the noise swirling around.

Anyone with a spare quid could send it to her fundraiser today?

There aren’t any posts on this thread that are worthy of screenshots in my view, but it wouldn’t be the first time comments have been screenshot from FWR out of context as “examples of transphobia”. Celina people see what they want to see in this regard.

But, as with trolls on FWR, we need to think not about the posters of the screenshots, but the undecided people who might be influenced by them. We should be distancing ourselves from bigotry, not only because it's the right thing to do, but also because it's a PR nightmare.

I think you overestimate the carry of people who post screenshots. They’re usually shared by either people with not that many followers on twitter or people who tweet to their loyal unquestioning followers. I believe the stats on MN FWR show traffic has massively increased by many more than those tweets reach and there are probably many lurkers who will read things in context.

Jean hasn't distanced herself because she wants to be 'nice'. She's distanced herself because she doesn't want to be associated with true transphobes and women haters and racists.

She did it in an incredibly decisive way though didn't she. e.g. she totally mischaracterised what Posie said about Tommy Robinson. Posie didn't once express any support for Tommy Robinson. She was talking about him to explain what happened with WPUK, and to make a point about the media, the left and the police's lack of action. Jean has reinterpreted it into an insult (by ommission) on the work feminists did to expose the grooming gangs - but I don't see it. I think Jean is seeing meaning that simply isn't there. No, Posie didn't credit the work she or others did, but that had nothing to do with the things she was trying to say. She didn't credit Tommy Robinson either, which is what Jean seems to be saying

Jean and Posie obviously know each other in real life. Was posting this blog publicly, while she knew Posie would be in transit and unable to respond REALLY the best way to go about this? Or one designed to inflict maximum damage?

I’m not going to worry about what TRAs or MRAs screenshot or how it’s interpreted by those woman-hating repulsive lot. I’m not going to be careful how I speak because I fear how those wishing to erase me will interpret it.

I like Posie's style. She trusts her own senses and her own sense and she says what she thinks.

She doesn't come from a feminist background but her truth-seeking and sense of justice have led her to align with radical feminism. I love the fact she admits what she doesn't know, she openly learns and changes and feels confident in acting and speaking without knowing all the 'correct' feminist lines to toe.

Jean is also fucking amazing, she has a lot in common with Posie - the way with words, the ability to cut to the heart of the matter and speak in plain English - but Jean is different in that she is a survivor and has a deep and intimate knowledge of DV and the women's movement.

I did think her blog post seemed a bit of a whinge - but I think it is important - perhaps Posie or others who are from the 'just get shit done and deal with the nuance later' school of thought might learn from it. But hopefully not to the point of indecision and paralysis - it's impossible to completely avoid treading on toes. But those trodden on are allowed to say "ouch!".

This thread has reminded me (again) how bloody brilliant Andrea Dworkin was

''I’m not going to worry about what TRAs or MRAs screenshot or how it’s interpreted by those woman-hating repulsive lot. I’m not going to be careful how I speak because I fear how those wishing to erase me will interpret it.''

Exactly,. I will not edit myself to bow down to the control of internet mentalists whose opinion I would be insane to value.