Harry the owl visited by police

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This whole hate speech/incident law is completely out of control. This is sinister.
Check out @HarryTheOwl’s Tweet: twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1088144870991114241?s=09

do the far right - the holocaust deniers and the nazis... do they have a right to think what ever they like and not be challenged?

Yes they do have the right to think whatever they want - of COURSE they do. They can also be challenged - but not by the police unless the police officer challenging is doing so in a personal not official capacity.

the police should have no part in this bollocks for me.

its playground nonsense. you all believe your are right.

i believe people are allowed different views and should be left alone with those views. either way. dont promote hate speech and just live and let live.
i couldnt find the energy to be offended by either side of this argument.
if i was trans - accept there are bigots - get on with life
if i were anti trans - accept there are bigots - get on with life.

and at that i am bowing out.

Nobody should be punched or spat at for any reason.

Everybody is entitled to their beliefs.

Nobody is entitled to enforce their beliefs on others.

HTH

I think what needs to be clear ryton is that alot of this discussion started due to proposed changes to the law. This was put out for public consultation by the government, and they said they wanted it discussed. I believe Theresa May even stated that women's groups should be listened to. And then when you have people actually discussing the implications of a change in the law, the police are called. It's not acceptable for the police to be interfering with discussions that we have been invited to have. It isn't a crime to reject gender theory or not believe transwomen are women.

No one here is anti-trans. It is not a playground scrap with two sides.

Ryton’s not the type to hang around to lose an argument.

It is not the job of our police force to harrass people for not being ‘polite’. Yes, that was harassment. I do not want to pay for police officers to ring people for ‘wrong think’ and it is utterly insane that anyone would defend that. Yes, this should be pursued legally, both because an injustice occurred and Harry has every right to object and complain, and to prevent this becoming commonplace- although this is happening a lot already. If it is not a crime, it is none of their damn business. End of.

I can’t even count the number of times people have said impolite, mean, rude, cruel or sick things to me in public or online. The line? Threatening or committing actual harm. Not hurt feelings. Physical harm or sustained and threatening harassment. Which often the police ignore when it happens to women. Don’t say they don’t, because there is at least one women here who is the victim of horrific and sustained harassment and the police have done zip about it.

We have freedom of thought, Harry and most of us here, intend to fight tooth and nail for it.

i dont mind losing an argument rogue
and thats fine if i have. i lose gracefully. and i just namechanged so please dont act like you "know " me

i used to be vicarinatutu.

sat up with dv victims all night. gave lots of advice on police related issues.

i dont mind losing any argument . i dont understand this one so dont think i can win or lose it tbh.

rytonsister

Nobody here is ‘anti-trans’, we are pro women and pro protecting our rights. Our existing rights and our boundaries as an oppressed sex class.

If you don’t understand this one then you probably shouldn’t tell us how to handle it.

Interesting article.

"Bea Wood has legally been a woman for three years, but regularly faces prejudice as she goes about her every day life."

“I have been spat at in the face, had my wig ripped off my head and been punched in the back of the head over the years," she said"

Those are indeed hate incidents.

However, someone liking a limerick on twitter should not be recorded as a hate incident just because someon'es feelings were hurt.

The police here, rather than drawing the line at spitting/punching as hate incidents, have decided to embrace, and worse, enforce the trans ideology that "women brains can be trapped in the bodies of men" - this is an acceptable belief system for the police to enforce. And any divergence from this ideology is considered a police matter now.

The police don't enforce religious beliefs on anyone - freedom of religion is protected - but nobody is being visited by the police for saying God doesn't exist.

You see the difference?

The police have lost their way - or, I suspect, been guided the wrong way by extreme TRAs who have been providing the training to police forces (and the NHS, schools etc too).

there are people on this thread will not hear what i have said .

and that is why i am not going to continue to try and explain what the police perspective on these issues is.

i dont mind losing any argument - if it makes you feel much better im happy to say i have lost this one.
night.

Welcome back, Ryton.

Everybody has heard what you have said.

there are people on this thread will not hear what i have said

Just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they haven’t ‘heard’ you. I don’t think you’ve entered this discussion to listen much yourself.

the difference is hate crime and hate incident. from a police perspective both need recording.
anyway i must get to bed. im sorry you think im so beneath listening to and thats not a problem for me really some of you have been vey genial,

i am listening but there are constraints on police that you dont understand and will not understand.

ffs why am i still trying????!!!

good night all. peace and love.

Oh hello vicar. I remember you from way back.

No offence meant at all but you don't seem to know anything about the issues here.

That's fine, the transgenderists make it their aim to silence all discussion. Women talking about women's rights is transphobic of course. Weaponising hate incidents with the police is part of silencing discussion.

Thank God for Mumsnet, though.

Stick around though. You'll soon get up to speed.

im a woman. in a mans world. im totally pro women! god this is so frustrating.....
now i really do have to hide this. its very frustrating for me to try and explain what is expected of us as a professional body.

“Im sorry you think im so beneath listening to”

That level of debate won’t be missed.

i had to change name i got doxxed! lol!!

i name change every few weeks now.

Nobody has said you are beneath listening to at all. This is a serious issue though. The police rely on a collaborative relationship with the public and Humberside have messed that up big time. The perception is that they have massively over stepped their boundaries, and are concentrating on frivolous non crimes when real crime is rising. Every tweet they have made asking for help with appeals is being met with a mixture of mocking and anger. People are refusing to co-operate and actively stating they won't be doing so anymore. This isn't good for anyone. It's a PR disaster as well as damaging to the relationship with the public.

Who said you’re beneath listening to? You are not listening, and that should be a pretty key skill of a police officer.

If you don’t know enough about this issue, then listen and learn.

As for police constraints, that’s got nothing to do with calling someone and harassing them for wrong-think. It shouldn’t happen, when it does the victim should absolutely complain.

I stated my motives. I couldn’t have been clearer.
As for outcome... a change in interpretation of the law. A change in CPS guidelines. Honouring Article 10. A retraction of their shit statements. That will do for starters.

Sounds good to me too.