Drag kid photographed with NAKED adult drag queen

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WTF? This is so inappropriate I have no words

www.dailywire.com/news/42081/10-year-old-boy-dressed-drag-pictured-naked-amanda-prestigiacomo

Calling you out on section 28 is nothing like shouting terf. You know I don't think I've come across anyone who said that.

Has the concept of boy bands completely passed you by? I was 13 in 1972 and The Osmonds and David Cassidy were huge. One of my best friends had pictures of Donny Osmond plastered all over her bedroom wall- the other had Cassidy. Being ever a pretentious child I had Robert Plant and Ian Gillan. I don't suppose we thought about what we would do with our idols but we knew at that age we found them attractive. As I said in an earlier post we would have described it as "fancying" someone or a crush.

Sexual Orientation (for Parents)
kidshealth.org/en/parents/sexual-orientation.html

At What Age Do Kids "Know"?
Knowing one's sexual orientation —whether straight or gay — is often something that kids or teens recognize with little doubt from a very young age. Some gay teens say they had same-sex crushes in childhood, just as their heterosexual peers had opposite-sex crushes^.

To be clear You know I don't think I've come across anyone who said that section 28 maybe wasn't a bad thing.

Sorry to randomly butt in (but in?)... just as an FYI I’m part of some drag forums online, including several fan pages on IG (yes I’m a saddo). Literally no one thinks this is acceptable - we’ve already got problems with other “drag kids” (cringe) eg one very prominent one performing at an ADULT club and doing interviews where they pretend to do drugs/ make adult drug references (they’re 11). Absolutely shocking and patrons don’t feel safe in a club with a child - at its most basic it’s seriously weird, but it freaks everyone out at why they would even have a kid there - seriously it’s a “WTF is going on with the parents” moment but everyone’s afraid to speak out. Lots of people who are old-school drag didn’t have the best upbringings/ best parents - then they see these “woke” parents bringing their kids to clubs/ trying to promote them. Seriously... wtf. Whether you’re ok with drag or not, there’s huge overlap in who doesn’t support kids doing drag in adult environments (I’m not familiar with kids drag in non-club settings, so can’t comment on that). This is a wider problem.

You aren't butting in and that is interesting to hear. The drag community needs to speak up tho' and it isn't doing itself much help by things like Lactatia and Desmond appearing with Ru Paul.

For Thingybob - research referred to here.

At what age do young people find out they are gay? - Quora
www.quora.com/At-what-age-do-young-people-find-out-they-are-gay

"Accumulating studies from the United States over the past decade suggest that the development of sexual attraction may commence in middle childhood and achieve individual subjective recognition sometime around the age of 10. As these studies have shown, first same-sex attraction for males and females typically occurs at the mean age of 9.6 for boys and between the ages of 10 and 10.5 for girls."

"For most people, sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience."

The World Health Organization (WHO) defines an adolescent as any person between ages 10 and 19

OK so we are almost in agreement in that those feelings emerge around the time of puberty around 13 although there will always be some outliers. I would argue that a 'crush' before that age is not based on sexual attraction so cannot therefore be a gay or straight crush.

Regarding section 28, I'm the first to admit that I don't know enough to make much of an argument and I wasn't suggesting a return to it. I do however have concerns that topics should only be introduced and taught when it is age appropriate. For instance, children's first introduction to sex is usually the biological stuff taught to coincide with thier curiosity of where they came from. At that introduction they do not wish to know that sex is fun or that their parents may have shagged more than once therefore I'd say that gay relationships are fairly irrelevant at that stage. I'm not saying don't teach about gay relationships but do it when the kids need to know rather than to appease lobbyists who insist on parity.

Btw I was way more mainstream than you, I snogged my double page pin up of David Cassidy every night.

Normalising child abuse. Horrific, so sad for this young child and what he"s been involved in when he should just be having non-sexualised fun all his short life so far.

OK so we are almost in agreement in that those feelings emerge around the time of puberty around 13 although there will always be some outliers. I would argue that a 'crush' before that age is not based on sexual attraction so cannot therefore be a gay or straight crush

No we are not in agreement. If you read what I posted that isn't what it said. I knew I was straight long before the magical legal age of 16 - do you think a switch is flipped at 15 years , 11 months and 364 days? And I knew before 13.

What do you think a crush is based on? Children may not understand it or have the words to express it and hopefully never act on it but it stems from developing sexuality and sexual orientation. You seem to have a very narrow view of what sexual attraction is.

Possibly I have got a narrow view but I do see a clear distinction between children before and during puberty. The former often develop crushes on both sexes, many interactions come from mimicry or role play rather than attraction, they are curious and will play 'show me yours and I'll show you mine' again with both sexes and they don't experrience the biological attraction that comes with hormones. For those reasons I see a clear distinction and do not consider that early development to be 'sexuality' or 'orientation'

thingybob you seem to be unaware that it is possible to talk about gay relationships without talking about sex.

In 2019 gay people can be just as boring as heterosexual people and get married and fret about catchment areas.

Gay relationships have been a part of my children's life since they were born. You're coming across as pretty homophobic

Btw I was way more mainstream than you, I snogged my double page pin up of David Cassidy every night

And what do you think that signifies if it wasn't sexual attraction?

My sister had a poster of Gary Glitter. Don’t think she ever touched it but it gave me the creeps.

notmyrealname85 could you put a simple complaint in to these clubs that it's inappropriate to have under 18s (of any kind) present in adult clubs and it's curbing your enjoyment?

I agree that if the drag community have a problem with this, then they need to speak out loudly about it and pronto. Because, whilst I'm sure there were people in that nightclub Desmond was dancing in we're absolutely horrified, all I have seen aee grown adults chucking money at a child dancing on the stage. And prominent drag Queens posing naked with kids.

But it is good to know that there are many people in the community who are as disgusted as anyone else at this whole thing.

I knew my cousin was gay long before either of us hit puberty. So did he. I also knew that I was interested in both boys and girls long before my concept of what I might like eventually like to do with them coalesced into more concrete terms. The emotional stuff is there before the interest in sex is.

I'm not surprised that most people in any group find what's happening with Desmond and Nevis disturbing, so not surprised that most people into drag do. What's interesting is the failure of the people who don't see the problem to notice how out of step with most other people's perspectives they are.

Say to just about anyone "so there was this 11 year old dancing on a stage at a club full of adults, many of whom were drinking and/or consuming other recreational chemicals, and the adults were throwing money at the child" and their response will be "WTF, is that even legal, are the parents out of their god damned minds?"

In a club that won’t let you take your phone in... sounds innocent enough eh?

The only times I've ever been asked to surrender my phone upon entering a venue have been where there's a band playing that has a strict ban on photography during their gigs. And even then it's almost unenforceable. Are they searching people on the way in? And what exactly are they worried about photos being taken of?

For the people on Twitter going "oh it's just homophobia because nobody would complain if it was a girl" I just want to ask, wtf kind of places have you been hanging out in order for that to seem like something nobody would object to from your perspective?

The funny part is how Pink News & Co act like this were some grand, progressive novelty, while you have precisely the same kind of stuff going on for centuries in the tribal communities of Afghanistan, termed Bacha Bazi there, and in ancient Rome before that (as everyone knows who has read beyond the paragraphs one's Latin teacher wanted translated).

And even if in the case of Lactatia, Desmond & Co the physical sexual exploitation is not realized, it does not change the fact that in principle it is the same indulgence those old cultures enjoy, they just stop before it turns into rape. In Afghanistan it is also 'just boys dancing' officially. So, where is the difference in principle?

Children do experience sexual responses from the onset of puberty, which is often under 13!
Saying that 10+ children don't know who they are attracted to is nonsense.

For the people on Twitter going "oh it's just homophobia because nobody would complain if it was a girl" I just want to ask, wtf kind of places have you been hanging out in order for that to seem like something nobody would object to from your perspective?

It's strange isn't it. I mean a child shouldn't be in a nightclub at all. Ever. Let alone at 3am. Whether the kid is a boy or a girl.or it's a gay bar is irrelevant.

Unless there's a flight to catch for a holiday kids should be in bed at 3am.

Anyone feel like we are being played for the screenshots?

everyone’s afraid to speak out

Yes, well that needs to change pretty fast, I'm afraid. No sympathy for a community that fails to whistleblow where kids are concerned.

Saying that 10+ children don't know who they are attracted to is nonsense.

It is. I had my first crushes with three or four, even though any sexual component came much later (yeah, like 10+ maybe). It was always males (Not saying everybody is necessarily as stable regarding the sex we are attracted to, but I suppose a fair share are and from a young age).

Anyone feel like we are being played for the screenshots?

If so, dear screenshotters, can you do me a favour and explain to me the principle difference between Bacha Bazi and the performances of Lactatia and Desmond?