Drag kid photographed with NAKED adult drag queen

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WTF? This is so inappropriate I have no words

www.dailywire.com/news/42081/10-year-old-boy-dressed-drag-pictured-naked-amanda-prestigiacomo

Not sure about that. Children won't have adult sexual feelings but these boys are 11/12. They are old enough to know about, for want of a better word, fancying boys and girls

These boys both started drag and dressing in a sexualised way at 8. Fancying someone or adult role play (as a child) is not the same as adult sexual attraction.

I can't help but feel we need to completely take stock of what we as a society are teaching our kids.
Was section 21 really that bad and has it's respective condemnation been used as justification for teaching (and celebrating) diverse sexuality and identity?
Is Pride really so great and should kids ever be involved in such a sexualised adult event? I inadvertently got caught up in a march once and it made me as an adult feel very uncomfortable. I would never publicly display my sexuality in the way the marchers did.
Why is the media so keen to celebrate and promote everything other than plain old vanilla?
Why are Drag Queens and materials teaching gender and sexual identity being introduced to children as young as 3?
Why can a child not be celebrated for being GNC in a non sexualised way?

• Retrospective condemnation

Fancying someone or adult role play (as a child) is not the same as adult sexual attraction

I didn't say it was. The boys are now 11 or 12- saying they can't be gay or queer is pointless now. The point now is how they are expressing it.

Margueritta

I still say an 11 year old cannot be gay or queer when the age of consent is 16

If you have a child who likes dressing up and dancing there are lots of things you can sign them up for where they will be surrounded by other children who like dressing up and dancing, rather than by drunk adults. Desmond's mum should tone down the "how dare you question me?" stuff and look into those options, it's not like they don't exist when you live in New York.

Where are his parents in all of this
How can it ever be acceptable for a photo of any child to be stood next to a naked adult, careless of who either are, and to publicise it?!

As an aside though, of course it’s possible to know you’re gay before age 16.

"gay and queer kids exist and their identities are valid"

Doesn't matter how they identify, no child should be dressed up in a sexualised way to entertain adults.

A lot of the commentary on twitter claims that this would be acceptable if it was a girl - NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!

Really concerning that a Doctor doesn't seem to be able to see why this is wrong.

Neither of the boys have expressed a sexuality as such as far as I know. If it was truly about them just being GNC though, they wouldn't need to be so sexualised (and they are sexualised) they could just wear what normal 9/10 year old girls wear.

In that post, Desmond's Mum says they only go to family friendly/child appropriate events. She has obviously changed her tune since then, may be now that Desmond is a whole 10 years old she thinks he is old enough for non 'family friendly' stuff?

Am still baffled as to why that drag queen in naked in the original picture. It doesn't seem to be on Lactatia's Instagram anymore though.

Was section 21 really that bad

What was section 21?

Really concerning that a Doctor doesn't seem to be able to see why this is wrong

He is having a reasonably polite discussion with Caroline Farrow. Of course actually agreeing that Caroline Farrow might have a point about anything is probably beyond him.

I have seen criticism of this from The Daily Wire/ Ben Shapiro , Blaire White, James Dreyfus, Caroline Farrow and Mumsnet. Dr Harrop presumably thinks he is morally bound to take the opposing view if this (unholy grouping) are the people who are condemning it.

Was section 21 really that bad

What was section 21?

I assume a typo for section 28.

Thingybob
Margueritta
I still say an 11 year old cannot be gay or queer when the age of consent is 16

That is nonsense. Children can and do know their sexual orientation long before they are legally able to have sex.

If you mean section 28, yes it really was that bad.

Gay children exist.
Gender non conforming children exist.
None of that means that children in an adult sexualised environment is acceptable.

Children can and do know their sexual orientation long before they are legally able to have sex.

Well yes - given that plenty of people have sex before they are legally able to have sex.

Yes, Section 28 was really that bad. There is a massive difference between teaching children that homosexuality exists and is OK and signing kids up to dance on stage in front of adults who're throwing dollar bills at them.

Well, I kind of wish that I hadnt clicked on 'Bruno Balls XXX (18+)' account (defo NSFW!) but at least he is calling out this shit. He is on Harrops thread.

Bruno is correct that in those kinds of clubs sex happens in spaces where an clubgoer might randomly observe it. Which is just one of may reasons why a child should not be performing in that kind of club. I mean, great that his mum is with him, but does she lead him around with her hand over his eyes?

So, an actual real- life male porn actor can see that this is wrong and is happy to say so on Twitter but an NHS doctor can't?

The unholy grouping I mentioned in an earlier post gets curiouser.

And behold, this is the beginning of the backlash that we were all warning would happen - any section of the LGB community justifying this is just an open goal for "Maybe Section 28 was a good thing."

My god, Harrop, you utter fool.

Marguerita

Thankyou yes I meant section 28 and we may have to agree to disagree with regards to sexual orientation in prepubescent children. My issue with so much of the sex/orientation/gender/identity philosophy is who is steering it and why? As far as I can see it is being done predominantly by lobbyists.(usually childless men) If this brave new world is in the best interests of our kids why is such a paradigm shift not being led by child development experts?

It's not so much agreeing to disagree as what you say flies in the face of reality.

So you believe children experience feelings of sexual desire and attraction pre puberty (about 12 - 13 years old). That's a very dangerous thing to believe and I've never seen research that backs that up.

That isn't what I said. Do not twist my words.

By 12/13 I definitely knew I was interested in boys.

To be honest I don't really want to engage with someone who thinks section 28 wasn't all that bad.

I'm sorry you feel like that Marguerita as I was interested in what you have to say and tbh just shutting me down and refusing to engage is no different to shouting 't*rf' at me.

To clarify my point, by definition I do not believe it is possible to be gay or straight without experiencing sexual attraction.

Incidently, I see the Dr. has seen the error of his ways and deleted those tweets.