Veritas report due tomorrow (Thursday) at midday re: Aimee Challenor

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Long time lurker, first time poster - subject says it all really.

Here's Aimee Challenor writing for Liberal Democrat Voice about how Mermaids helped her to circumnavigate medical professionals

www.libdemvoice.org/why-the-national-autistic-society-were-right-to-reverse-their-decision-on-award-winning-charity-mermaids-58805.html

Who knew the chief executive of the NUS is also a trustee of Stonewall? A rogue trans in Stonewall & a rogue trans/non-binary in NUS. Bit of a Lady Bracknell moment?

Who is also a good friend of Julie Bentley, erstwhile head of the girl guides.

Can we just pause and consider the fact that until DC was convicted, AC was preparing to run as Deputy Leader for the Green Party

Someone who is unable to comprehend basic information regarding safeguarding. Someone who is always needs to be accompanied for difficult conversations (I know it's best practice to have a companion at any disciplinary hearing, but I've never heard of that companion taking over from them if the individual concerned needs to leave the room). Someone who does not seem able to think through the wider implications of an issue. Someone who is only concerned with the thing that impacts them.

Leaving aside their age, kinks and disability, how the fuck could anyone ever think that this person is Deputy Leader material?

Also the fact that AC is fully aware of the identity of DC's victim and actively made the decision to build a relationship with DC.

Also the fact that AC is fully aware of the identity of DC's victim and actively made the decision to build a relationship with DC

That's one thing I won't hold against AC, actually, as I believe DC's influence to be so malign as to amount to grooming AC.

Someone else put it best when they said that the Green Party are the real transphobes here. They are the ones who knowingly promoted a 19-year old purely because they was trans. They knew that Aimee had zero experience, skills, and so forth. If Aimee had been a normal 19-year old, they wouldn't have stood a chance.

If Amy had been a normal 19-year old they wouldn't have stood a chance.

It's tokenism, all about appearances and obviously nothing to do with political skills or experience.

I’ve also never seen AC campaign on green issues.

Like madigan, they use their position to campaign solely on trans issues.

Neither are fit for office.

Never mind AC, do the Greens campaign on Green issues? The last few things I have read from
Their role MP have been about trans issues affecting about 0.001% of the population.

So why not have a one legged, blind, pigeon fancier officer?

Waidda minute: is that how they are biologically? How bigoted! They need to identify as a one-legged, blind, pigeon fancier or the deal is off.

I read the full report last night.

Has anyone established whether DC continued to work with the cub scouts after his arrest and bail? This association is mentioned in the report, but Verita seem to have only contacted Coventry Pride. The safe-guarding risks regarding his involvement with the Cub Scouts seem enormous. I do recall it being discussed on here last year, but was there any outcome?

I’ve also never seen AC campaign on green issues

Its about personal power
Green issues by definition are rooted in altruistic principles.

The need for it, aquiring it, using & misusing it
It predates The Green Party eg the hacking, Mermaids campaign.

See also TFL complaint which led to ceasation of the announcement 'ladies & gentlemen'
See terf blocker, control of BBC, use of party, police & courts etc

'AngryBird' founder of TransOxford who is transsexual condemned TRAs "shameful campaign of bullying & intimidation" against the women attending Oxford's WPUK meeting last year.
In her statement she said,
'Last night the bullied became the bullies'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3234661-Condemnation-of-the-shameful-campaign-of-bullying-intimidation-against-WPUK-meeting-by-founder-of-TransOxford

Prof Michael Biggs (Oxford) also wrote about attempts to prevent and disrupt the meeting and women's right to assemble. He concluded,

(concludes)
"I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech. I think of the young MPhil student who had to disguise herself to attend this meeting because she feared the reaction of fellow students. This is the generation that we have educated."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257819-Michael-Biggs-Sociology-Dept-Oxford-Free-speech-at-Oxford-Do-women-have-the-right-to-meet-to-discuss-legislation

@KataraJean

I remember at the time a few Mumsnetters emailed Scouts to check whether Baloo had continued volunteering during his trial. They never got a reply, I believe.

Here's Aimee Challenor writing for Liberal Democrat Voice about how Mermaids helped her to circumnavigate medical professionals

WIthin the article is demonstration of Aimee Challenor, Sarah Brown, Zoe O'Connell and Helen/Mimmymum from Mermaids (amongst others) use of power as influence.

As Olenna pointed out: Someone who is unable to comprehend basic information regarding safeguarding. Someone who always needs to be accompanied for difficult conversations was standing for deputy leader of the Green Party

The same person who, earlier this year after the revelations about DC came out, boasted in an interview:

I am taking a break definitely, but equally I'm a trans person publically notable and that won't wash away. That doesn't just stop at the drop of a hat. I'm quite lucky, I'm 20. I've contested elections at local and national level. I've been involved in global politics. I've been an expert at the Oxford Union. I've done so much in such a short timeframe. I don't think I'm going to live a boring life. Theres still so much more to be done. I've got so much time. And I'm still going to be speaking out loudly for Coventry, for Coventry's residents, for LGBT equality as a member of Stonewalls Trans Advisory Group and on other matters. I've always enjoyed speaking out for what I believe in. Standing up for what matters. And I'm going to continue to do that. Just clearly not under the Green Party banner.

That speaks to me of a) a quite staggering level of self-delusion and self-aggrandisement;
b) hyper-woke organisations so painfully keen to scramble onto the bandwagon that they'd promise the world on a platter to this person in return for having them as a figurehead (an EXPERT at the OXFORD UNION?? FFS); and
c) truly grotesque levels of dysfunction in said organisations.

I can't actually convey how appalled - and frightened for the future of the institutions that are supposed to regulate our public life - this whole debacle has made me feel.

Ah okay, thanks Terfing - i am surprised Verita did not pick it up given that they contacted Coventry Pride.

Verita were only investigating within a limited and specific brief from The Green Party.
There were clear parallels with Coventry Pride.

AC is in a non-traditional relationship with people who are much older than AC. They assist AC with writing articles and social media.

Who is really pulling the strings now that DC is in jail?

AC is in a non-traditional relationship with people who are much older than AC

There is a small amount of mileage, yardage really, in the argument that were AC a more sympathetic figure the villains would be the parents and then the “friends”, as almost all AC’s associated appear to be sexual predators of various forms. By that reading, the young boy was a victim and everything since then is consequences.

But the overall narcissism and revelling in things makes thetbline hard to sustain. AC has moral agency, especially as the initial abuser is in gaol.

That speaks to me of a) a quite staggering level of self-delusion and self-aggrandisement
b) hyper-woke organisations so painfully keen to scramble onto the bandwagon that they'd promise the world on a platter to this person in return for having them as a figurehead.. and
c) truly grotesque levels of dysfunction in said organisations.

a selection of current threads which demonstrate similar themes:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3476462-Morgane-Oger-SEX-does-not-exist

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3476791-Drag-kid-photographed-with-NAKED-adult-drag-queen

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3432767-Lily-Madigan-and-the-School-Saga

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3432767-Lily-Madigan-and-the-School-Saga

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3475851--Dont-be-an-asshole-tour-intends-to-making-gyms-trans-friendly

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3474880-I-used-the-girls-room-for-the-first-time-today

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3474980-British-Man-Who-Fell-Pregnant-Warns-Other-Males-That-Giving-Birth-Is-Really-Hard

I’ve also never seen AC campaign on green issues.

Like madigan, they use their position to campaign solely on trans issues.

Neither are fit for office.

And the Green Party, like Labour, let them do it for woke points.

ReflectentMonatomism

You seem to be forcing simplistic binary positions for 'arguments sake'. There is a need for nuance.

For example it is recognised and understood that some people who are bullied bully others (though not all), some people who are abused, abuse others (though not the majority)

Like madigan, they use their position to campaign solely on trans issues.

Neither are fit for office.

And the Green Party, like Labour, let them do it for woke points.

The same is true for individuals in The Conservative Party, Liberal Democrats and SNP. Its a cross-party & cross organisational issue.

I also think that there is much going on than that TRAs are accorded apparently unfettered power and influence by political parties than just the 'woke points'