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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Silent Witness does transgender

143 replies

thatdamnwoman · 08/01/2019 21:41

Hasn't long started: guess we'll have to wait and see how it comes out...

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AspieAndProud · 08/01/2019 23:43

So its ok to send hate on twitter? It's just twitter, right.

You got that from this?

Disagreeing with them on Twitter isn't the same thing.

PositivelyPERF · 08/01/2019 23:53

So its ok to send hate on twitter? It's just twitter, right

Only if you’re TRA/MRA directing it towards females. Doing it the other way round would get you banned.

andyoldlabour · 08/01/2019 23:53

I tried to explain to my wife about his and she did'nt want to know about transgender stuff, so what do I do???
I thought that she had understood after the Martina shit but she hasn't!!!!!!!

HelenaDove · 09/01/2019 00:19

Its not the first time Silent Witness has done a trans storyline.

Episode called Body 21 from 2004

Body 21" Michael Crompton Douglas Mackinnon Danny Webb, Emma Cunniffe, Amita Dhiri, Eddie Marsan, Shaun Parkes 25 September 2004
26 September 2004 7.26
6.87
The team are approached by the survivors of a major train crash, which resulted in the death of twenty-one people. Looking for answers as to who and what caused the crash, they ask Leo, Nikki and Harry to attempt to identify 'Body 21', one of the twenty-one victims who has yet to have been named. However, determined to investigate the actual cause of the crash by using backdoor methods, Leo begins to uncover a tangled web of lies. He begins to suspect that Army Major Mark Wiltshire is involved, after his stolen Landrover is what is known to be the cause of the crash, but an alibi places him in the mess hall at the time of the incident. Working with the survivor's group, the team attempt to re-create the layout of the train prior to the crash occurring. The investigation delves deeper when one of the surviving passengers commits suicide. Harry and Leo soon discover that the identification of the last victim could lead to revealing the cause of the crash, and that the solution lies on discovering an unknown romantic affair and a marital betrayal.

Ereshkigal · 09/01/2019 00:35

Interesting that it was 2004, the year the GRA came into force. Coincidence?

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 09/01/2019 07:50

Sounds mean but I think many of the roles last night were given on fitting a certain demographic rather than on acting ability and I really think it showed. The main part though went to an established male actor so in a way I think it makes people see that the ‘real women’ thing is ridiculous, as they will have seen Andrew Knott in lots of other stuff and already know him.

AspieAndProud · 09/01/2019 08:12

I watched the Martin Clunes programme Manhunt on ITV anyway. It’s a reminder that women are a much more vulnerable group, and that it takes hundreds of police officers years to investigate a real crime, not a couple of CSI’s in their spare time, and when the police bungle it real people die.

SaturdayNext · 09/01/2019 08:12

Gawd there is so much vomiting in toilets

It’s an overused trope in drama. Very few people actually vomit in response to strong emotion in real life

But they made it clear that it wasn't a response to emotion, it was a response to something the baddy deliberately slipped them so that they would throw up and s/he could attack them whilst they were helplessly crouching over the loo.

SaturdayNext · 09/01/2019 08:17

To be fair, it was pretty clear that the senior pathologist was under no illusions that the person in question was a man, he was just willing to use "she" out of politeness.

I do agree about the nonsense of the resources this private laboratory is allegedly able to devote to police investigations. I find it difficult to believe that any police force is willing to pay for a whole team of senior pathologists to run around being amateur detectives, and it's particularly ridiculous when they have them sitting in on or watching interviews with suspects.

Iused2BanOptimist · 09/01/2019 08:25

I never know the names of actors except for the most famous (or infamous) so had no idea which, if any, were trans and which were acting at being trans. Frankly none of them were very good at it so it didn't do much to advance the cause as far as I'm concerned.

InternetRandomer · 09/01/2019 08:47

Well at least there were no bare breasts on the slab in this episode. Makes a refreshing change.

jessstan2 · 09/01/2019 08:53

I saw the one where transwoman was killed in train crash, wife of army sergeant. It was very moving. Not seen one about subject since. Has there been one? Intend to see last night's today but saw nothing about trans issues on details.

OldCrone · 09/01/2019 09:20

Are you sure you're looking at the right episode, jessstan2? This is last night's episode:

Fresh from her trip to the States, Nikki and the Lyell unit are called in to investigate an attack against a transgender man. A transgender helpline had received a chilling phone call stating an intent to kill, and the call handler, a young, dynamic spokeswoman for the transgender community, helps with the investigation. When two further attacks are reported, one leaving a potential witness, it looks like the team are facing an outbreak of violence against the transgender community.

Skyzalimit · 09/01/2019 09:23

Have none of you noticed the toilet thing?

Woman goes into dark toilet at night. We worry for her safety. She goes into men's loo as women's is closed. We all shout 'No!' at the telly. But in the next door cubicle, it's a trans man who's murdered.

Next victim is also attacked in a toilet. This time it's a trans woman- and she's attacked in her own (unisex) toilet in her own house.

Number three- a woman who is attacked, but not in a toilet at all.

And finally, a man is killed in a men's toilet.

Kind of upturns the concerns about trans women in women's toilets a bit doesn't it?!

I thought it was brilliant.

It was also really great to see trans people acting in trans people's roles.

The one thing I thought was unrealistic apart from the prof doing the swab etc was the idea that a uni dept would ask him to be head of faculty without a history of working in a uni. And then he thought he'd get a chance to do some teaching like his mum! Poor man- heads of faculty very rarely get a chance to teach. That job is all about management and balancing budgets.

LangCleg · 09/01/2019 09:43

Kind of upturns the concerns about trans women in women's toilets a bit doesn't it?!

You know it's a story, right?

littlbrowndog · 09/01/2019 10:09

Haha 😂
Just a story

woopdedoodle · 09/01/2019 10:17

OK so who do we think did it?

Or would speculation spoil it?

Arkengarthdale · 09/01/2019 11:15

I think it's a woman because of needing to drug people to overpower them

AngryAttackKittens · 09/01/2019 11:21

In the Harry Potter films they have flying broomsticks, and thus I have decided that there's no need for me to ever buy either a car or a train ticket. Bet I get to work before you, Sky!

LangCleg · 09/01/2019 11:27

I haven't watched yet so I don't know. Will watch both back-to-back tonight. I've been longing for a fictional crime show to sort out the toilet problemo once and for all.

AAK - don't try and pretend your broomstick comes from Harry Potter. I know it's a Saggy-Titted Crone model.

NotTerfNorCis · 09/01/2019 11:35

If it's a woman... could it be the wife of the tormented AGP? No actually, she was home when the last victim was murdered. It was beginning to look like it might be the blonde transwoman. I actually quite enjoyed it!

Skyzalimit · 09/01/2019 11:55

LangCleg

yes, obv I know it's a story- I think the writer is poking fun at/deconstructing the toilet 'debate' and as you said yourself,

I've been longing for a fictional crime show to sort out the toilet problemo once and for all

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 09/01/2019 12:12

Well there seems to be a lot of stereotypical stock phrases used and a lot of unnecessary debate over who is a real woman/man and who is not. I doubt pathologists in real life would give a shit- they would just record in the post-mortem report that the deceased had undergone gender reassignment surgery.

As to why they are getting involved with live witnesses and interviewing suspects, I have no clue. The entire thing is farsical. They all seem to double as scene of crime officers too and all have unlimited time to waste chasing leads and going off on their own little ego-trips. Surely the police would just tell them to fuck off and do their jobs?

LangCleg · 09/01/2019 12:14

I think the writer is poking fun at/deconstructing the toilet 'debate'

Mate, it's a crime-based soap opera bearing no relation to anything to do with real life, including crime detection and the toilet debate. They've included a trans character in the same superficial way they include everything else.

What with it being a story an' all.

I hate to break it to you, but BBC crime writers aren't entering into pomo-addled, nothing actually exists and the only reality is discursive territory. They just want some gruesome crimes, some people chucking up in the loo, and Emilia Fox looking soulful. Nothing more deconstructive than that.

Iused2BanOptimist · 09/01/2019 12:24

"I think it's a woman because of needing to drug people to overpower them"

There was me worrying that nobody was bothering to test for norovirus or wash their hands. Grin