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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sandra Forgues: becoming a woman was a victory more profound than the Olympic title

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MrsSnippyPants · 07/01/2019 17:05

Sorry, can’t get the share token to work, maybe someone else can? This might be in the sport section.

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teawamutu · 08/01/2019 20:48

The times in my life I’ve felt most womenly are when I’ve been doing something strong. There is something about using the full extent of my body that makes me feel like a woman.

ICJump, I've been thinking about this brilliant point of yours all day and you're SO right.

I'm in my 40s, things are starting to sag and ache. But I glory in the feeling of exercising hard, doing something that takes all my strength, fixing things and making things.

I AM WOMAN, HEAR ME FUCKING ROAR. Not mimsying about doing twinkly little laughs and being far too weak and laydeelike to move a bloody chair.

AnyOldPrion · 08/01/2019 21:44

Even so, I hope that he gets to interview McKinnon

Just trying to imagine the adjectives....
Petit, sweet-faced, blushful, over-modest....

littlbrowndog · 08/01/2019 22:15

Fragrant , erm slight of build,modest, twinkling, fragrant, brave beyond bravery
Stunning ,
More modest than modest
Fragrant
Demure
Delicate

R0wantrees · 08/01/2019 22:20

Are you edging towards 'coquettish' LBD?
Too much?

ChewyLouie · 08/01/2019 22:20

Perched delicately on the sud

littlbrowndog · 08/01/2019 22:21

I am rowan

R0wantrees · 08/01/2019 22:22
Grin
ChewyLouie · 08/01/2019 22:22

Oops!
Perched delicately on her side saddle.
The interviewer and photographer had to help her off the bicycle as she blushed coyly.

littlbrowndog · 08/01/2019 22:23

So th3 person is described as how men think women should be it seems to me
Cripes
Don’t they know any real women

littlbrowndog · 08/01/2019 22:24

Oh yeah coy 💥

R0wantrees · 08/01/2019 22:25

surely they 'rushed to be of assistance' Chewy?

There'll be coat laying over puddles next.

AngryAttackKittens · 08/01/2019 22:42

I don't think I've ever demurred bashfully in my life. This is because I'm a woman and not a man's fantasy of a woman.

And yeah, Bloom, the article does come across as having been written with one hand while the other was down the pants.

LangCleg · 08/01/2019 22:49

I don't think I've ever demurred bashfully in my life.

Yes, but if you identify as a Bashful Demurrer, you'll be one because it will immediately become truer than the truest thing that was ever true.

ChewyLouie · 08/01/2019 22:51

ROwantrees how could I miss that - of course they rushed, with manful strides 🥰

TimeLady · 09/01/2019 07:39

Commissioning editor: "Hey, James, fancy a trip to France? We've been taking a bit of flak here for our so-called anti-trans stand, so you might like the opportunity to redress the balance a bit with a human-interest, but sport-related piece? It could be a good opportunity for you to broaden your portfolio. Wink"

Wink Wink

AngryAttackKittens · 09/01/2019 08:47

Before, whenever she opened her mouth, the deep pitch of her speech did not match the feminine tenor of her thoughts and feelings.

Pretty sure that the voices we describe as "tenor" are the ones attached to individuals with testicles. A higher pitched female voice would be described as "soprano"...

Wait, is he calling Pavarotti a woman?

AngryAttackKittens · 09/01/2019 08:53

Being serious for a moment - based on the comments the comically sexist individual who wrote the article was not intending to take the piss. The editor who commissioned the piece on the other hand? Would the Times normally hire anyone who writes that badly? Mills and Boon would have rejected him on the grounds that his writing is too florid. It reads like someone spoofing a Barbara Cartland novel.

OrchidInTheSun · 09/01/2019 09:13

I presume he meant tenor as in tone, meaning but it's very poor writing to use it when talking about the characteristics of someone's voice

littlbrowndog · 09/01/2019 09:16

But what are feminine thoughts and feelings
How can I tell if my thoughts and feelings are feminine enough ☹️☹️

littlbrowndog · 09/01/2019 09:17

And do they match my voice which is husky with the lurgy

AngryAttackKittens · 09/01/2019 09:23

You're a woman when you're healthy but currently in transition to becoming the man you've always been inside, obviously.

I can never get over the feeling that I've just read something that would have been best kept for the diary and tucked away in a drawer when men write this kind of stuff. Knowing too much about a stranger's innermost fantasties is uncomfortable. Especially when a refusal to lift furniture plays such an oddly pronounced role.

OrchidInTheSun · 09/01/2019 09:28

Definitely one for the diary but the advent of anonymous forums has unfortunately led to a lot of people sharing things that would have been better kept private!

I was reading a really bizarre account on Reddit earlier of what a transwoman had learned being a woman was all about since transitioning. It entirely focused on high heels, nail polish, second hand underwear (!), going to the loo and wearing tights.

I occasionally think about going to the loo (((my pelvic floor))) but can honestly say none of the rest of those things have anything to do with my experience of being a woman.

littlbrowndog · 09/01/2019 09:28

Haha my inner man

AngryAttackKittens · 09/01/2019 09:29

OMG, you know what this means? One could potentially re-transition by buying some lozenges. Ricola, the wonderdrug!

AngryAttackKittens · 09/01/2019 09:31

It entirely focused on high heels, nail polish, second hand underwear (!), going to the loo and wearing tights.

My personal inner ladyessence just recoiled at the idea of wearing someone else's manky used knickers.

(Totes not a fetish, nothing to see there! All women dream of wearing other women's knickers, it's very validating.)

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