Sandra Forgues: becoming a woman was a victory more profound than the Olympic title

[MrsSnippyPants]

Sorry, can’t get the share token to work, maybe someone else can? This might be in the sport section.

What men believe female is, and the experience of actual females is two very different things. One can only imagine what it is to be a different sex. One cannot ever know, because they can never be that. Which is why transwomen can only be a subset of men, not a type of woman. I know it must be hard for some transwomen to recognise this. But that is life and their feelings, whilst they should be respected, should not be placed in front of women's needs to have single sex services, spaces and sport.

victory over what?
reality

He's going on about abyss of the soul in the comments. I'm in stitches!

He's basically managed to shoe horn all the lovely "feminine necessities" into this one article, hasn't he?

Tinkly laugh - check
Delicate - check
Demure - check
Blushes - check
Pink - check

I only managed half of that. Surely the author is taking the piss?

"Becoming a woman", though.

I'm loving this comment. It starts by quoting the author btw:

"Personally, when someone says that they've struggled their whole lives with the profound feeling of being in the wrong body, that they've felt an abyss inside them, and they've been prepared to risk everything to change that, I'm inclined to believe they are mentally ill and that turning them into a facsimile of the sex they hopelessly aspire to is not the solution to their problems.

If a person is genuinely convinced that he is Horatio Nelson, is poking out an eye and hacking off a limb the solution to his problems"

So very, very true!

Oh he has to be defensive to keep up the charade and write more articles like this. Comedy gold.

“My transition is a profound victory over myself. It’s like finding a cure for cancer...

Cancer has been cured - by a woman, too! What's not to like?

I now have fears that I never had before

Don't we all, love.

JFC. That article is written in such purple prose, I believe the Times may be trolling.

I hope so. I really, really hope so.

Onoften wonder if men who have been married to a woman and then transition to ‘female’ have had girly wives? All pink and fluffy wuffy. Where do they get these ideas of femininity from? 1950s advertising and burlesque.

Hang on a minute! I would have helped carry furniture!

We are currently in the middle of a house reno and I have carried sanitary ware, doors and kitchens out of vans, does this mean I'm really a man?

Before, whenever she opened her mouth, the deep pitch of her speech did not match the feminine tenor of her thoughts and feelings.

Marvellous. Barbara Cartland would approve .

The abyss inside is what? A woman? A woman is an abyss? An absence of something (aka proper manhood)?

Well, at least Times Purple Prose Man has defined woman for us. It's more than most of them manage.

Well I suppose after the number of critical articles the Times can be allowed one supportive piece ... cant they?

How can anyone read this and not see the sexism inherent in this identity...

And yes. I do think that it's about sexual submissiveness, at least for the straight ones.

"Logic" is:

I am a male
I like to be passive during sex
Females are the sex that like to be passive during sex
I must actually be a female!
In fact, I am much MORE of a female than those women over there who are either trans men and in denial or sexless prudes or secretly want to be dominated.

Also women who do agree to have sex with me are lesbians or bisexual (preferably the former) because I'm an uber woman

Maybe this whole thing would be solved if we forced males into sexual servitude. Then the ones that want to be trans right now would have their desires fulfilled without having to change sex!

James is a sports writer. I am guessing he's trying to branch out of his sweaty box of virility and into broader journalism. Let's hope so anyway

James is a sports writer. I am guessing he's trying to branch out of his sweaty box of virility and into broader journalism. Let's hope so anyway

Typical wokebro cookie signalling. Same old same old.

"Onoften wonder if men who have been married to a woman and then transition to ‘female’ have had girly wives? All pink and fluffy wuffy. Where do they get these ideas of femininity from? 1950s advertising and burlesque."

Hardly. It seems like most of us are gender non conforming ourselves and feminist. I'm personally attracted almost exclusively to gender non conforming, emotionally vulnerable men. Overtly masculine men always seem extremely silly and disingenuous to me - like they are putting on a show for other men.

Trans identified men do often seem to have had a conservative / strongly gendered upbringing though (why they felt they had to repress all femininity / associate all femininity with womanhood). So maybe from their mom's...?

"When I look at the photos for this story, however, the chateau seems to dwarf Sandra, casting her into a damsel-ish relief." When I look at the photograph what strikes me is Sandra's massive hands.

I recommend some background music whilst reading the article.
Simon Bates would have done it proud.

This person gave up and lost nothing.
Not much recognition about how much this person damaged their family. Buying a train ticket is no proof that everything is fine.

Fruitbrew got a tickly feeling on your chin yet, an unusual bulge in your pants? Don’t lift any more things - lipstick and mascara excepted- or you’ll wake up male. No one admits to being male these days, get with the programme!
Carrying heavy objects changes your DNA, it’s true.

"Before, whenever she opened her mouth, the deep pitch of her speech did not match the feminine tenor of her thoughts and feelings."

WTAF? Feminine tenor of her thoughts? What's a feminine thought when it's at home? Are we supposed to spend our days thinking of flowers and kittens?

Once again, I find I'm woman-ing wrong.