Sandra Forgues: becoming a woman was a victory more profound than the Olympic title

[MrsSnippyPants]

Sorry, can’t get the share token to work, maybe someone else can? This might be in the sport section.

Has Sandra been shrunk? Why would size be relevant? Oh yes, women are supposed to take up less space, aren't we? Its a bloody chateau, James. Humans are smaller than chateaux. Someone needs new specs, it seems.....tinkly laugh.

"Often when we talk about transition, we talk about the look, but in hormone therapy what changes very quickly and very starkly are all the smells, the pheromones, the senses, the entire functioning of the brain: emotions, perceptions, fears."

...Gross.

Also, I thought Wilfred always was always a woman because Wilfred always had a lady brain. But If the hormones are what give you the lady brain, how can that be?

This is so fucking offensive I don’t know where to begin

I do think that it's about sexual submissiveness, at least for the straight ones.

Check out r/itsafetish if you are strong of stomach...
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Shouldn't "feminine tenor" be "feminine soprano"? Seeing as the voice coach has got the falsetto pitch right? Tenor is terribly masculine, James. Tut tut.

The last thing me or any of the other Trans Widows around here are is girly, Fekko. My own opinion is that men end up like this because of their masculine Fathers who subconsciously teach them there is only one way to be a man, and they grow up never feeling they match up to it.

Oh. I really thought it was a pisstake until I read the author’s replies in the comments.

SchnitzelVonKrum that’s what struck me as well.

Reading this I feel sad that something is being lost. We should be tackling toxic masculinity and finding ways to allow men to be gender-non-conforming. Instead we get pseudo-science about always having been a woman, which lets people off the hook of considering the real hard problem of toxic masculinity in society today.

There was a real story to be told here and it wasn't told in this fluff article with Mills & Boon ideas of what women are. Better than the Playboy ideas of what women are perhaps. Or maybe not.

Very telling that Sandra writes that she's had no problems with the patriarchy despite the sport’s reputation as a breeding ground of machismo and misogyny And her own experience in the past of exactly that atmosphere. She puts this lack of patriarchial oppression now Wilfred is Sandra down to her colleagues being surprisingly woke. I'd put it down to them still thinking of her as a man.

Which should be fine. Wilfred should have been able to channel a swooning Victorian lady who can't lift a chair and still be accepted as a Olympic male athlete who happens to like a feminised demeanour and not carrying furniture if someone else offers. That should be OK without anti-science about being a woman not a man.

Its a bloody chateau, James. Humans are smaller than chateaux.

Thanks for the laugh Bloomcounty. Cracker of a comment.

My own opinion is that men end up like this because of their masculine Fathers who subconsciously teach them there is only one way to be a man, and they grow up never feeling they match up to it.

It's a head scratcher TinselAngel - trying to mend being brought up with rigid/toxic ideals of masculinity by throwing oneself into the opposite end of the rigid gender stereotype scale. I can't see how that mends anything? If anything it just highlights how damaging and ridiculous gender stereotypes are.

But what do I know

Wow not even tinkly laugh but a 'twinkly laugh' - I can't even help being womanly can I! 🤩🦄🎀✨

SchnitzelVonKrumm Hands, exactly, my first thought too.

Sandra seems a bit obsessed with virility. They also talk about how they were a real boys boy. Whatever that means but suggests Sandra thinks about males and females in terms of sex role stereotypes.

Why do they always wear leather and animal print and silk frills? I barely know any women who dress like that.

CottonTailRabbit
Miles & Boon! That’s what it reminded me of! Thank you

Is Janice Turner retweeting her colleague's article?

Nah, thought not.

Twinkly laugh = tinkly laugh with added glitter

If its a fetish they’ll wear and play the part of the role they fantasise about.
It appears middle aged men fantasise about a cross between Mavis Wilton and Bet Lynch - which is very disturbing.

FWIW, Forgues was 5'10"/74kg as a canoeist. So not preposterously large.

Is the "abyss inside" like a front hole that goes deep & wide? You'd think your typical vag-coveting transgal would love having an abyss aside - no need for all that hurty dilating & messy lube.

From the article: "High trilling laugh".

Good grief. I can only think that the Gheerbrant consulted "Cliches for Dummies" while writing this gawdawful article.

This shit Before she would automatically have lent a hand; now she demurs bashfully as the photographer and I haul them up the staircase.

Fucking hell I hate that bullshit. The times in my life I’ve felt most womenly are when I’ve been doing something strong. There is something about using the full extent of my body that makes me feel like a woman.

I can’t think if a female athlete I’d describe as dainty without risking a punch in the face.