Everyone’s favourite women’s officer at it again

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New target: Dr Louise Moody at York University. Deaf, lesbian, gender critical and precariously employed junior academic. She makes an innocuous joke about LM’s announcement on twitter about ‘coming out’ as a lesbian (ie being heterosexual). Cue a swift complaint to York asking for Louise to be fired, insinuating that LM is a student there themselves. Followed by lots of toady support by mainly males asking for this person to be ‘dealt with’. Including a female academic called Dr Jo Grady who uses terf-blocker and thinks it’s really cool to throw a disabled lesbian who is precariously employed under the bus. She has also commanded York to deal with the situation.

This is getting out of hand. Solidarity with Louise. I hope you’re okay. I actually blame people like Dr Grady more than LM, who clearly has serious issues. But how you can publicly call for someone’s sacking for this when you know what academia is like and how difficult it is for women, POC and disabled people is breathtaking. This is a lesbian woman who takes issue with a heterosexual male appropriating her marginalised status. Same as POC would presumably take issue if a white man started talking about his struggles being trans-black.

I think they believe it in one sense but not deep down. They never challenge that conflict.

And a lot of the anger happens when they are forced to confront their cognitive dissonance.

Haha! Ereshkigal. Crossposted. With opposite opinions!

I don't understand how anyone can possibly think it when it's stated in that way. If I'm in the middle of sex with a man and I suddenly tell him I identify as a man, is he having gay sex with me?

Erish it’s interesting that gay identified men are slightly more willing to sexually interact with trans men than with trans women, the opposite pattern of lesbians (though to be fair lesbians are more likely to accept either than gay men are).

And yes, I don't think they examine it that deeply. It's all about presentation and show. The actual meaning of gay, lesbian and heterosexual seems to have become diluted.

As I say I don't think they believe it deep down. It's a kind of surface knee jerk wokeness.

It reminds me of some experiences I had when my husband was trans identified. As I was mired in trans ideaology at the time and belived it was possible to change sex, I think I said to him that as his body changed to become more feminine I might lose attraction towards him as I’m very straight. It turned out that was true - not for the reason I thought but mostly because He was a neurotic, drunken mess performing stereotypical femininity when he was trans identified... Also I do need dick so if he’d every got the chop that would certainly be the end of it.

Anyway... it makes so much more sense than my thinking at the time now. He was a man, would always be one, and my sexual orientation wouldn’t change just because his identity did. What nonsense it was...

The actual meaning of gay, lesbian and heterosexual seems to have become diluted.

Indeed. Us heterosexual women top the "exclusionary" charts in the study when it comes to dating either sex of trans people though!

Hang on, let me check I've understood this....

Lewisham based LM is insinuating York Uni sacked someone not employed by them for hurt caused to goldsmiths students..

Have York given a statement about unfollowing, 'sacking', or (hopefully) supporting Louise?

LM also crowdfunded for transition and claimed to be growing boobies in the last year....but now is not doing either? Was any money raised? refunded?.

When will Labour announce they've parted company with this deceitful thieving individual?

“If I'm in the middle of sex with a man and I suddenly tell him I identify as a man, is he having gay sex with me?”

Yes and more importantly he is now bisexual if he was straight before. After all who you are is determined by how others see you in trans activism.

But that's why the whole trans thing is so bizarre.

You can't change human nature, human instant, biology, etc. Straight or gay, that is what you are naturally attracted to. But now with the trans thing, a lesbian, for example, is being told they are bigoted for not wanted to sleep with a male self-identifying as female. It is utterly bonkers!

Madigan epitomises this insanity. A biological male, who dresses as male, let's face it, who has had no hormone treatment, who is mentally ill, treated for schizoid problems - and we are being told this is a female lesbian! And if we don't use the correct words and pronouns then we are "transphobic" and are seen as worse than Genghis Khan!!!

After all who you are is determined by how others see you in trans activism.

This is it.

EverlastingGobstopper Louise do DM me via here if needed: I am sure you realise you have a fairly local support group. And you have indeed done the right thing by coming out fighting - it's so sad to see women (obliged?) to apologise to these people.

““If I'm in the middle of sex with a man and I suddenly tell him I identify as a man, is he having gay sex with me?”

Yes and more importantly he is now bisexual if he was straight before. After all who you are is determined by how others see you in trans activism.”

I thought it was determined by how you feel inside?

So if you are doing a sex with DH, all you have to do is internally identify as a man in the middle of it to make the sex gay and the DH bi. He doesn’t need to know or consent, he just is, because you had a thought. :)

After all who you are is determined by how others see you in trans activism.

I would amend that slightly to "who you are is determined by who you demand others see you as". There does not need to be willingness on the part of the observer; all that it requires is a demand for control and coercion by the trans person.

“I thought it was determined by how you feel inside?”

Yes in principle however when you look at how desperately trans gender activists strive to force people to pretend they are women you can see how true it is - that their self identity is entirely a function of how others see them.

It is a misunderstanding of what a social construct is, in my view. Queer and other postmodern theoriests believe that if enough people believe something is true then that this literally becomes true. Identify works the same way.

Queer and other postmodern theoriests believe that if enough people believe something is true then that this literally becomes true.

YY. Exactly this. Its batshit.

I wonder if my ex thinks we were in a Lesbian relationship for all the time he "identified" as a "woman" while we were together.

I'll never give him the satisfaction of asking him, so will never know.

tinesel

My dad is friends with a couple (met on holiday) and the husband is now a transwoman

My dad had only ever known them as a transwoman

Apparently a group of them were sat round having a chat and a few of them were joking around and telling the wife that she was now a lesbian

I often wonder whether she found it as funny as everyone else seemed to

Hello Feminism Chat

First of all, I want to say how much I've enjoyed reading the posts here. I have read the full article but can't share because the publishers can tell who has downloaded it and shared.

What I think the article says is the same as Missiamphetamin in the twitter link. Almost 90% of their 958 survey respondents (mainly from Canada & the US) said they would not date a transgender person. Heterosexual people were least likely to say they would not date a transperson and people identifying as queer/bi/non binary etc were most likely to say yes. That was still just only 50% of those respondents (it's a graph so you can't see the precise numbers).

They found that trans people were the most likely to say they would date a trans person which is not really surprising.

Then they analysed data from the 120 people who said they would consider dating a trans person, dividing them into people whose answers were 'congruent' with their sexual identity - so a heterosexual man and a trans woman etc. It noted that some people gave answers that were not necessarily predictable from their sexual identity - eg some lesbian woman said they would date a trans man. As Missiamphetamin tweeted, contrary to what we are told by some people, lesbians were the most likely to be 'inclusive' (authors' term) in considering dating a trans person not 'congruent' with their sexual identity.

So, they don't say people change their sexual orientation if they date a trans person who is the opposite or same gender as them but they do say some people of all genders and sexual orientations seem to give responses that might be seen as inconsistent when asked if they would date a trans person.

They would like to see everyone be more open to the idea of dating a trans person but there is definitely no comfort in their results for the woke bros who say it is all the fault of lesbians for not dating trans people.

Should have chosen something a bit more chatty for a first post but I was too excited by the idea that I could fill in the picture a bit on this thread.

Thanks again everyone for all the informative and witty things I've read on here. Just sorry this is a bit sludgy. Will try to do better in future!

well, didn't Owen Jones almost have a heart attack when he was asked why he wouldn't date a trans-man who has a vagina.

He then recovered to say, yes, of course he would date a trans person. He is woke!

Rufus, poor woman

I'm not convinced that people respond truthfully to hypothetical questions. It's very easy to give a 'woke' answer (as OJ clearly did), but in reality, most people would back away with alacrity if faced with a person of the sex they're not attracted to.

"So, they don't say people change their sexual orientation if they date a trans person who is the opposite or same gender as them but they do say some people of all genders and sexual orientations seem to give responses that might be seen as inconsistent when asked if they would date a trans person. "

I disagree. I feel in the table and discussion that they are taking a pretty strong stance simply by labeling the preferences of lesbian women for trans men as "incongruent" with their sexual orientation. They could have described it in neutral terms. Instead they are implying that lesbian women are acting contrary to how they should be expected to act given their sexual orientation.

It is at least as logical to describe a willingness to engage in sex with trans women as "incongruent" but they don't do that. To me it feels all a piece - part of trying to prevent people from describing themselves in a logical and straightforward manner.