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Everyone’s favourite women’s officer at it again

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Funkyfunkybeat12 · 03/01/2019 08:22

New target: Dr Louise Moody at York University. Deaf, lesbian, gender critical and precariously employed junior academic. She makes an innocuous joke about LM’s announcement on twitter about ‘coming out’ as a lesbian (ie being heterosexual). Cue a swift complaint to York asking for Louise to be fired, insinuating that LM is a student there themselves. Followed by lots of toady support by mainly males asking for this person to be ‘dealt with’. Including a female academic called Dr Jo Grady who uses terf-blocker and thinks it’s really cool to throw a disabled lesbian who is precariously employed under the bus. She has also commanded York to deal with the situation.

This is getting out of hand. Solidarity with Louise. I hope you’re okay. I actually blame people like Dr Grady more than LM, who clearly has serious issues. But how you can publicly call for someone’s sacking for this when you know what academia is like and how difficult it is for women, POC and disabled people is breathtaking. This is a lesbian woman who takes issue with a heterosexual male appropriating her marginalised status. Same as POC would presumably take issue if a white man started talking about his struggles being trans-black.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 04/01/2019 11:01

I really am baffled by the pattern of TRA's who drop a blatant lie into the discourse and then let it run as fact

Its a technique used on here a lot. Point it out when you see it.

EverlastingGodstopper · 04/01/2019 13:07

Hey All.

Just checking in to say THANK YOU. This is certainly a surreal episode, but I think I've done the right thing by coming out fighting. I have been through MUCH worse than an entitled twenty year old heterosexual encouraging a social media pile-on.

YOU'RE ALL BRILLIANT :)

MutantDisco · 04/01/2019 13:09

@EverlastingGodstopper sending Thanks and backing you all the way

papayasareyum · 04/01/2019 13:15

I just don’t understand the likes of Paris Lees and co all ganging together to support LM. Have they even bothered to read LM’s twitter feed?
It’s an irrefutable fact that a biological male cannot be a lesbian. It’s basic biology. It’s not an opinion, a belief or anything like that. It’s a FACT. It’s not up for debate really, but as I’m not as rude and aggressive as TRAs, I’ll happily discuss it. I suspect the no debate, TWAW lot won’t even consider a discussion though. It’s easier to dismiss any alternative view as transphobia, even when the alternative view is an irrefutable fact proven by science. It’s so messed up and either they believe this rubbish, or they’re playing mind games or something. It’s really really incredible and baffling.

littlbrowndog · 04/01/2019 13:16

Everlasting
💪💪🍺
Courageous

littlbrowndog · 04/01/2019 13:17

Well if they don’t back Madigan the whole thing crumbles that’s why

LangCleg · 04/01/2019 13:20

I think I've done the right thing by coming out fighting

You have. But if you need help or back up, please shout out. You're not alone.

Arkengarthdale · 04/01/2019 13:23

What she said ⬆️

NotTerfNorCis · 04/01/2019 13:34

It’s an irrefutable fact that a biological male cannot be a lesbian. It’s basic biology.

TRAs have redefined lesbian and unfortunately some people who claim to be lesbians are supporting them.

VaginalAcoustic1212 · 04/01/2019 13:46

It used to be that saying "I may have a man's body, but I'm a lesbian in my mind." was something creepy men said to women when they on the wind up or the make.

Still is.

Mulberryandthyme · 04/01/2019 13:57

Everlasting Gobstopper - you're a good egg!

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 14:07

TRAs have redefined lesbian and unfortunately some people who claim to be lesbians are supporting them.

From what I can see, many young women don't actually call themselves lesbians, it's all about being queer or gay. The self declared lesbian supporters of trans "lesbians" appear to be older women in long term relationships with other women who promote it as an LGBT rights issue. It's doubtful that these women would sleep with males. But like married heterosexual male woke bros they never need to confront this.

HomeStar · 04/01/2019 14:10

I just don’t understand the likes of Paris Lees and co all ganging together to support LM.

They will gang together to support anyone who is trans. Trans people on Twitter collectively supported and defended the terrifying person in the GameStop video. Trans activists are even defending J. Yaniv and only “cancelled” trans people like Miranda Yardley and Esther Betts are willing to say that’s wrong.

It’s very scary, honestly.

Oldstyle · 04/01/2019 14:11

EverlastingGobstopper you are awesome. Flowers Flowers Flowers

SirVixofVixHall · 04/01/2019 14:14

There is also support for Ian Huntley.
Madigan is now claiming that Madigan is of the female sex. There’s someone who failed GCSE biology.

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 14:15

The thing is, this "inclusion" is all talk:

twitter.com/Missiamphetamin/status/1070497538589908992?s=20

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 14:17

Transgender exclusion from the world of dating: Patterns of acceptance and rejection of hypothetical trans dating partners as a function of sexual and gender identity

journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407518779139?journalCode=spra

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 14:18

Across a sample of heterosexual, lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and trans individuals, 87.5% indicated that they would not consider dating a trans person, with cisgender heterosexual men and women being most likely to exclude trans persons from their potential dating pool. Individuals identifying as bisexual, queer, trans, or non-binary were most likely to indicate a willingness to date a trans person. However, even among those willing to date trans persons, a pattern of masculine privileging and transfeminine exclusion appeared, such that participants were disproportionately willing to date trans men, but not trans women, even if doing so was counter to their self-identified sexual and gender identity (e.g., a lesbian dating a trans man but not a trans woman).

FWRLurker · 04/01/2019 14:19

“many young women don't actually call themselves lesbians, it's all about being queer or gay”

Yes lesbian is old fashioned and not inclusive enough.

Some lesbian girls have come to identify as bi or pan as their partners or other lesbian girls they know transition. After all of they are attracted to butch women and trans men they must be bi, right?!

Gaslighting teenage girls as a way to maneuver into their pants. Men have been doing it for millennia and won’t be stopping anytime soon.

Datun · 04/01/2019 14:22

even if doing so was counter to their self-identified sexual and gender identity (e.g., a lesbian dating a trans man but not a trans woman).

Lesbianism is same sex attraction to the female sex. Everyone knows it. Even those who believe in gender identity!

FWRLurker · 04/01/2019 14:22

“even if doing so was counter to their self-identified sexual and gender identity (e.g., a lesbian dating a trans man but not a trans woman).”

Um I think they meant they discriminate “especially when doing so was consistent with their sexual identity...”

Do these authors literally believe that if woman A is attracted to woman B, the moment that woman B says the words “I am a man” that the sexual orientation of woman A changes from lesbian to bisexual???

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 14:23

Study behind a paywall but this shows how few lesbians are willing to date MTFs, according to the (pro-gender identity ideology) study:

9%

twitter.com/Missiamphetamin/status/1070497531010805760?s=20

FWRLurker · 04/01/2019 14:24

Or are they saying they woman A was always bisexual as they were attracted to woman/trans man Bs masculine gender ID and not their still female sexed body? It makes so sense .

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 14:25

Do these authors literally believe that if woman A is attracted to woman B, the moment that woman B says the words “I am a man” that the sexual orientation of woman A changes from lesbian to bisexual???

Yes, I think they do. They are fully mired in the ideology (at least in theory), as are most of the people defending Madigan.

Datun · 04/01/2019 14:25

Do these authors literally believe that if woman A is attracted to woman B, the moment that woman B says the words “I am a man” that the sexual orientation of woman A changes from lesbian to bisexual???

No. They just keep saying it so that men can coerce lesbians into sex.