Urinals should be removed..

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..because not all men have penises. They may be triggering to some trans men. Only sit down toilets in individual cubicles in men's toilets.

Men queuing to pee at football matches and down the pub might bring things into focus for those who are largely unaffected by all this "move aside" business.

And tbh I'd LOVE to see all the woke bros queuing and telling other men that it's discriminatory for them to use urinals because not every man has a penis and it's bigoted for them to complain...

October, the thread is not unpleasant , you find it unpleasant which is not a good enough reason to derail it.Comedy unlike biological sex is subjective, that’s why we have a ‘sense ‘ of humour.
If you want to bleat on about the ‘safe’ majority of transfolk, start a new thread.
#Down with urinals

To return to the discussion at hand, on a marginally more serious note...

I recently saw several men commenting on the distress they felt when they were standing at a urinal and two (non-passing obviously) transmen walked in on them.

Apparently there were gender neutral toilets available, but the transmen in question didn’t identify as gender neutral, so refused to use them.

To be truly inclusive, and to prevent men’s distress, the obvious answer is indeed to remove the urinals.

I was raised to believe that jokes are only funny if everyone's laughing

Well thats just silly

I agree anyold

I would like the thread to be kept on topic

Cubicles in the gents would solve part of the problem...or third sex neutral spaces

I agree - cubicles only in the gents. I think three should be enough.

What about graffiti? Quite triggering stuff in the men's loos.

(So I'm told.)

It's interesting that you ask me for reasoned arguments, which I give, and then you respond with an insistence that I'm derailing the thread, rather than try to dispute the actual points I've put forward. But as you were.

Surely, this thread has been started by some Breitbart Journalist or something, to flush out the loonies ---- surely?

We need to put the lid on that, ratchet. Or at least get a handle on it before we are swept away, out of sight.

October

Ive missed where anyone has said you are derailing

you ask me for reasoned arguments

I'm not asking your for those since this is a piss-taking thread. If you think it's in bad taste, you can take your own piss the other way around or start a serious thread. Non?

DS hates urinals, and he frequently complains to me that there are no doors on the cubical, or locks on the cubicle doors. I’m not sure a lot of men like the state of most gents bogs, so proper cubical, with locks on the doors would benefit more than just the blokes without dicks.

Personally, as a woman of the female, cockless variety, I hate even walking passed the gents, so I imagine the cockless men probably don’t enjoy entering them much. Not every penis having man/boy wants to paddle through piss and piss in the open, so I doubt the ones without the relevant equipment want to either.

Down with urinals. Sorry, can’t find hash symbol on this keyboard.

Did anyone on here ask for reasoned arguments?

@Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

October, the thread is not unpleasant, you find it unpleasant which is not a good enough reason to derail it.

Along with your request that it be kept on topic.

@LangCleg Any time I've attempted to have a proper discussion about this on other threads, it's descended into me being accused of being a man or being a bad parent. The focus is never on actually discussing any points I've made, but more people saying they won't discuss it because it's not the place/my language isn't to their liking/I have no sense of humor, etc.

When anyone starts a thread indicating their frustrations with the feminist board talking so much about trans issues, the responses argue that no-one is transphobic, and that if people are willing to have a proper discussion, they're always welcome. That hasn't been my experience.

I actually couldn’t care less what you think, octoberfarm. We get enough patronising whining from the woke brigade. Don’t like the thread? No problem. Yawn.

October the problem is that the arguments you've made have been addressed a gazillion times on this forum. Nevertheless people will, I'm sure, address them again just for you personally if you care to start your own thread. Are we not folks then to you by the way? We're guys or people? Try replacing the terms you have used for us in your posts with 'folks' and consider how much gentler and more positive it would sound. Words are significant.

Along with your request that it be kept on topic

Which is not implying that you are derailing...i would like it to be kept on the topic of transmen potentially finding urinals an issue

Id missed the other comment so apologies for that

Any time I've attempted to have a proper discussion about this on other threads, it's descended into me being accused of being a man or being a bad parent.

Oh, I get it now. You just spend your time policing the FWR boards to keep the naughty GC feminists in place. Poor didums. Do you find it terribly upsetting when all those women don’t play nicely?

And a number of people have said that urinals may be an issue and you don't seem to want to engage with that reasoned argument

I cant belive the paranoia it takes to turn even an innocuous comment made to the entire thread to a personal accusation

Isn't it interesting how, when TRA logic is applied to men, it's described as unpleasant and loony?

"Surely, this thread has been started by some Breitbart Journalist or something, to flush out the loonies ---- surely?"

OP here. Couldn't be further from a Breitbart journo if I tried. Thankfully.

I started this post because the ridiculousness of the urinal situation occurred to me, alongside being fed up of woke bros telling us how we should allow a situation arise where any man (self-ID) can enter women's spaces unchallenged. And fed up of this impacting women, while men don't have to face the reality of any of it.

And fed up of this impacting women, while men don't have to face the reality of any of it.

Yep

Wap a load of cubicles in the gents and make them sex neutral, that'd sort it

@SarahCarer if you read my response upthread, you'll see that I've explained my use of the word "folk" and changed it to people, as requested. But I can't help but feel like if there were good responses to my points, people would just give them rather than jumping on me for being boring/patronizing/woman-hating/lacking in a sense of humor/easily offended.

I've seen others start their own thread just to be attacked, and to be honest I'm not feeling starting one just to be piled on like I am here, rather than to have a reasonable discussion. I'm not offended and I've tried to be apologetic and to take on board comments about wording, etc., where necessary in this thread, but still people are focusing on name calling rather than actually responding to any of the points I've put forward. it's no wonder this topic is just filled with the same people riling each other up because no-one else can get a look in with a different point of view.

I stand by my argument that whether it's about urinals being offensive or menstruation, you're taking what a tiny minority are saying and applying it to all trans people as if it's gospel. The vast majority of people don't think like you're saying they do. I want people to feel safe, whether they're transgender or not. But if you can't/don't want to have a proper, calm discussion about it instead of saying things like "diddums", don't, but you can't criticize how others are handling the debate when you refuse to have a decent discussion yourselves.

Rufus well tell me it wouldn't make the men who currently are totally unimpacted by every societal change pushed by TRAs, think a bit. At the moment they don't have to: it doesn't affect them.