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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Misgendered and violent

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yiskasha · 28/12/2018 19:04

I know it's from the Daily Mail, but I can't find anyone else reporting on it. I've never seen a woman tell a man to "take it outside" or aggressively kick a display down because they've accidentally been called "sir"... (hope the link works).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6536045/Furious-transgender-woman-rages-store-clerk-calls-sir-instead-maam.html

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EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 28/12/2018 19:42

This explains why a lot of TRAs claim that women either don't notice or don't mind their presence in our changing rooms, toilets etc. Faced with the prospect of something like this, most women won't comment. They'll just quietly finish & leave as fast as they can.

This also doesn't imply at all that all transwomen are dangerous any more than that all males are dangerous. Of course not. Women don't know who is likely to be a threat. That's why we have single sex spaces, to remove the need for case-by-case judgment calls.

starcrossedseahorse · 28/12/2018 19:44

The problem is male violence, something quite beautifully illustrated in that video. Male violence, even when it's wearing pink trainers and hoop earrings

This

feelingverylazytoday · 28/12/2018 19:44

Just because one transgender person has acted in this way doesn't mean they all will
It's not just one transgender person though, is it? There seems to be quite a few cases of transwomen acting in a violent and aggressive manner.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 28/12/2018 19:45

These 'isolated incidents' and 'isolated individuals' form a rather large crowd with new ones appearing about weekly. There isn't a rug big enough to sweep this under.

And I've seen angry women plenty of times, I've never seen one smash things up and threaten violence when displeased. I've seen many, many men do it. It's rather as pointless as insisting that women commit sex offences too (all 2% of them).

birdsdestiny · 28/12/2018 19:45

My point being that we segregate by sex partly because of male violence. So my dh is not allowed in female spaces because he is a man. We apply sex segregation to him even though he is not violent. Just because one man is violent doesn't mean they all are but it is impossible to tell which is which. So no obviously not all transwomen are violent in the same way as not all men are violent. But men are not allowed in female spaces.

TheCbeebiesYellowBlobs · 28/12/2018 19:45

I can't understand why you transphobes wouldn't want to share changing rooms with this woman 🤷‍♀️

scotsheather · 28/12/2018 19:46

Wow thats one angry man alright. Male rage is their own worst enemy as well as those they inflict it on.

MIdgebabe · 28/12/2018 19:47

ON average men are much more violent than women.
On average we suspect that transwomen behave like men.
We are being asked to believe that transwomen behave like women, but some of us are suspicious

In the same way that not all men are violent sex offenders, so I would expect that not all transwomen are . However we have sex based rights because of the average behaviour of men. Not the individual.

So yes , bub we are particularly keen to highlight examples that disagree with the myth that transwomen on average act like women

Of course, A much better solution would be an official gathering of data that would prove or disprove this. The fact that this simple action which could easily prove the safety of transwomen isn’t taking place simply adds to our suspicions that on average transwomen are in fact differnt to women in terms of their violent and sexual behaviours . IF it was easy to prove they would

treaclesoda · 28/12/2018 19:47

TheCbeebiesYellowBlobs you're so right. She seems like a nice enough lady to me. We could bond over tampons and stuff.

AnneLovesGilbert · 28/12/2018 19:48

Absolutely EmpressAdultHumanFemale

Knicknackpaddyflak · 28/12/2018 19:48

Funny too how these 'isolated incidents' never raise a chorus of 'that's unacceptable' from TRA supporters (or indeed any denouncing of any behaviour), but a great deal of ordering women to stop talking about it.

NottonightJosepheen · 28/12/2018 19:49

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IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 28/12/2018 19:50

Because men are stronger than women and get what they want.

Datun · 28/12/2018 19:51

I am absolutely NOT going to misgender this individual as I want the thread to remain.

I will say that transactivism (not transgenderism, HQ) gives a license to unscrupulous and bullying individuals everywhere.

starcrossedseahorse · 28/12/2018 19:52

Knicknack that is always the case isn't it? Or, if there is a response, it is 'he isn't a real transwoman' a la Karen White/Nicola Huntley.

Wineloffa · 28/12/2018 19:53

I see a very angry man.

NottonightJosepheen · 28/12/2018 19:53

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LuggsaysNotaWomen · 28/12/2018 19:53

I was in a coffee shop the other day, with another women, who was missexed (she does have an unusually deep voice for a teeny tiny female).

Rather than throwing flapjack at the sales person and wrecking the joint she brushed it off and reasoned it was because they hadn’t seen her and they were probably tired due to it being early in the morning. Odd because most other women I know would have at least chucked some sugar packets and those swizel sticks about, what with that being typical feminine behaviour... um.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 28/12/2018 19:53

he isn't a real transwoman

Which nicely highlights the problem with self ID, anyone who says they are IS, regardless of the reason they are saying it.

birdsdestiny · 28/12/2018 19:54

You are better at playing the longer game than me datunGrin

starcrossedseahorse · 28/12/2018 19:55

Exactly Captain but the transactivists refuse to engage brains on this one.

MissSusanScreams · 28/12/2018 19:55

The thing here is that this person has taken a slip of the tongue and turned it into an excuse to have a tantrum. It speaks to a level of entitlement that is entirely narcissistic.

This person has not been verbally abused, racially insulted or homophobically bullied. Someone made a genuine error and they are graceless enough to throw a temper tantrum in response.

This is not a rights movement. It’s a dominance movement.

RebelWitchFace · 28/12/2018 19:56

Kid at work called me "daddy" I obviously should've asked him outside then put a claim in for pain,suffering and literal violence. I am a woman goddamnit!! Grin

bigmouthstrikesagain · 28/12/2018 19:56

Bloody hell that was ott. I have been misgendered before. As I am tall with broad shoulders people not looking properly have called me sir, also as a sturdy toddler I was frequently assumed to be a boy. I never smashed a shop up or stormed out though. And tbh, even if it was deliberately done I wouldn't give them the satisfaction. There is no indication that this was deliberate.

terryleather · 28/12/2018 19:57

This is not a rights movement. It’s a dominance movement.

You said it!

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