Normalisation of sexual fetishism

[QuietContraryMary]

Just reading this story about a man with infantilism abusing a child

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sick-abuser-nappy-fetish-jailed-15579002

There are NHS doctors such as Dr. Christina Richards (transgender, gender clinic psychologist) who have written books www.amazon.co.uk/Sexuality-Gender-Mental-Health-Professionals/dp/085702843X?tag=mumsnetforum-21 to say all such fetishes are perfectly healthy, not paraphilic or to be judged. Indeed the phrase 'kink shaming' is used against those who suggest that role-playing paedophilia or similar activities is harmful.

What do we think about the 'thou shalt not judge' culture of saying that all sexual behaviour is a matter for those practising it?

A whole lot of shit is being pushed as normal and acceptable these days that just plain isn't. I think a whole generation of girls are already out there having been utterly gaslit by porn.

See BISH schools training and website for teens.

Justin Hancock the founder of Bish is 'mates' and works collaberatively with Dr Meg-John Barker (Of the BCAP sex, gender good practice guide)

relevent threads:
discussion started and moved over from:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3357449-am-i-right-to-cross-out-gender-on-my-child-s-school-form-and-change-it-to-sex

Dr Meg-John Barker
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3350668-The-British-Association-for-Counselling-and-Psychotherapy-have-come-up-with-Definition-of-woman
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3356199-New-OU-Course-on-gender-identity

Edward Lord
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3352843-First-there-was-Jess-Bradley-then-the-Challenors-now-Edward-Lord
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323475-Surprise-The-Masons-now-welcome-Transwomen-but-not-women
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317922-City-of-London-Corporation-consultation-is-out-this-covers-Hampstead-Ponds
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316098-Childrens-Convenor-Elected-Councillor-calls-women-cunts-on-Twitter-rants

BISH / Justin Hancock
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3357713-BISH-proudly-supported-by

raven, could you pick out what you're positing as "NAMBLA talking points" for me please? I'm confused as to what you believe those are, thanks.

why are you asking people to google you? If it's you, you could just link what you are talking about. And I'm not sure in that case, why you think this is relevant.

I know, by the way, that the infamous Neville Southall 'adult baby takeover' was claimed to be therapy for child sexual abuse victims, yet it didn't take more than 30 seconds to find that it was completely unregulated/self-administered and was in many cases abusive including involving actual children.

In ICD-10 (World Health Organization 1992), the paraphilias are classified as disorders of sexual preference. Six specific disorders are listed: fetishism, fetishistic transvestism, exhibitionism, voyeurism, pedophilia and sadomasochism. Three further categories denote ‘multiple disorders of sexual preference’, ‘other disorders of sexual preference’ and ‘disorder of sexual preference, unspecified’.

DSM5 Makes a change that makes it possible for an individual to engage in consensual atypical sexual behaviour without being labelled with a mental disorder, by stating the individual or someone else feels distress by it.

I call bullshit semantics. Still a faulty wiring in one's brain to enjoy self-harm or the harm of others. Smoking is an addiction that destroys your body, doesn't mean everyone who smokes needs therapy, because, if you don't consciously suffer - why quit? The person is still an addict, though.

Indeed, I will retract that you are more likely to be a paedophile if you are into a parphiliaAfter all, paedophilia is a paraphilia, so this makes no sense. The one study I have here finds correlations between different paraphilia.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1139034?scroll=top&needAccess=true

(I do remember a discussion during the Challenor case, where Challenor's paedophilia, sadism, crossdressing and nappy fetish all rolled into one were discussed in terms of paraphilia quite often being a accompanied by one another, and Blanchard said something to the effect, too, but on the fly I have no study to support it).

You will see in the study I provided that paedophilia is observed as a paraphilia, just like Sadism, Masochism, Fetishism, Exhibitionism....

No wait, David Challenor had no nappy fetish, or did he? Identifying as 10 year old Lucy, he would not have worn nappies during the torture sessions of the poor child he victimized? Wouldn't want to smear him.

anyone who likes spanking is...likely to be a pedophila

said no one ever. likely would mean >50% chance.

No, ravenlover, the article I posted does not say homosexuality is a disorder. Please point to any flaws in the sicentific method of the paper I provided, if you want to refute it. Smear by association does not cut it.

" engaging in dangerous derailing and attempts to paint pedophila as just another fetish which is a) a common pedophile tactic and b) acknowledged by pretty much all experts as dangerous and a slippery slope towards normalising pedophila (as several posters have pointed out)."

Again, you are gaslighting here. I said that infantilism is NOT normal.

That is not normalising paedophilia.

If you think that linking sexual fetishes and paedophilia is normalising paedophilia, rather than, say, highlighting the links between those perversions and paedophilia that is entirely on you.

Funding
This study was sponsored by a team grant to the Groupe de Recherche sur les Agresseurs Sexuels (GRAS, Jean Proulx, director) from the Fonds de Recherche Québécois sur la Société et la Culture (FRQSC).

The study's author:
theconversation.com/profiles/christian-joyal-143982

"Deep, why did you edit my quote from “more likely” to just “likely”????"

You didn't post that!!!!

You posted

“anyone who likes spanking is mentally ill and likely to be a pedophila”

in quotes, despite that never having been said. There was 'more' in the original source but you removed it.

Stop this.

It is abusive.

My MSc thesis was about the DSM, and the if the DSM is famous/infamous for one thing, it’s for declaring that homosexuality is a mental illness. The fact the same book that declares consensual fetishes to be mental illnesses also declared being gay to be mental illness shows how dodgy it is a a source.

Well, If you reject the DSM you reject the diagnosis of any mental illness, for this is all the DSM does, give doctors guidelines how to diagnose any kinds of mental illnesses.

According to police officers working on child sexual exploitation cases, online porn habits like legal "fake incest" and "barely legal" are often used by people who do go on to use the real thing. The hypothesis is that they start to normalise paedophilia and hebephilia - when their habits are reviewed in court, you can see the progression pretty clearly after the fact.

But Deep’s post said the opposite, that the DSM5 removes the automatic mental disorder label from paraphilia? That it’s only a disorder when distress is present?

Ravenlover - it seems like you are reading a completely different thread to everyone else? People are not saying what you are accusing them of.

I quoted ravenlover, Mary. I had not even seen your quote.

Oh, you have a problem with the DSM 2, published in 1968? Cool, we're using the DSM V now, hence the lack of homosexuality being classed as a mental illness in it, hope that clarifies the difference.

But Deep’s post said the opposite, that the DSM5 removes the automatic mental disorder label from paraphilia?

Exactly. The DSM are just diagnostic gudelines. That those guidelines in 2018 (DSM-5) will be different from some version in the 50's (or since whenever it existed) should be understood. Given that the DSM is always a collaboration of a broad range of the leading professionals in the field, it is nothing more than a reflection of what psychiatrists consider the state of the art regarding psychiatric diagnosis.

Someone who wrote some thesis on the subject should know as much. One would think.