Recording of Mermaids training

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Apologies if this has already been posted. Did a quick search and didn't find anything.

Michael Conroy attended and recorded a mermaids training session. It's hair raising listening.

I believe that someone is working on transcribing this, which will hopefully make it easier to analyse. But wanted to post it to make sure it hadn't been missed.

SG rewarded by HRH specifically for her contribution to the mental health sector ... when they so vehemently deny that trans has anything to do with MH. Interesting.

Don't see how small children understanding that some people are referred to as men and some as women is the same as having an innate gender identity. All it says is that children have been socialised into recognising labels and stereotypes. It also assumes that children's understanding of sex, gender and their own identity doesn't develop further after this phase.

And jelly babies?

The idea that small children aged between 18 months and three have a fixed gender identity is scary.

I dont care what studies were quoted. Our experience with DD was that she changed her mind (in pretty gradual fashion) and her friendship group, between the ages of 8-10, having previously strongly identified as a boy.

But not part of any studies! And now a happy, healthy and popular 20 year old.

Even if SG would seem to deny that her journey is possible.

Its very creepy. Awful. If they had got their hands on my child when she was still primary aged, I assume they would have advocated for her to be mutilated and drugged

The stonewall school report is very good. To me it makes it abundantly clear that children who are gender nonconforming or questioning their identity are extremely vulnerable to bullying and abuse, tending to focus on themselves as individuals not fitting in, or their bodies being wrong in some way. Do we try to fix the bullying? Or collude in the belief that the bullied children are actually right that their bodies are the problem?

Don't see how small children understanding that some people are referred to as men and some as women is the same as having an innate gender identity.

It's not the same, and if they had understood the papers they are citing, they'd know that. Children learn that they are either a boy or a girl, and that this is fixed, and they know that other children are also either boys or girls, and that is fixed, and that adults are either men or women, and that is fixed.

TRAs use this to show that everyone has a 'gender identity' by the age of about 3, which is obviously not true. What actually happens is that children have an understanding that there are two sexes, and that it is a permanent state (they understand that they won't wake up tomorrow and find that they have changed from a girl into a boy or vice versa). The average 3-year-old has a better understanding of this than the average TRA.

The stonewall school report is very good.

Really? I would say it's complete rubbish.
It was all done via online self selection, there were no controls, no recording of sex, no accounting for co morbid conditions, non transparent methodology and many other criticisms

abundantly clear that children who are gender nonconforming or questioning their identity are extremely vulnerable to bullying and abuse

I think most people would agree with this from real life observations so no need for an expensive report from a Cambridge professor.

Do we try to fix the bullying?

I'm not sure that's possible. Gender non conforming kids are by definition a minority and bullying includes things like excluding the gender non conforming child.

When my son was about 7, he rejected the friendship of a gender non conforming child who wanted to play with him during breaktime and the Mother, who was a friend of mine, tried arranging after school play dates.

My son decided he didn't enjoy playing with this other child because he was 'boring' My son said he wanted to play football and this other child didn't or on the play dates he didn't want to play 'rubbish games like houses and cooking'. When he did go he usually ended up playing with the younger brother who had the cars and trains my son enjoyed. He wasn't trying to be unkind to this other boy but isn't it natural to prefer spending time with others that share similar interests?

What do you think? Was my son a homophobic bully or just being a normal child?

That's why I do think there is a role for a group like Mermaids but without all the gender rubbish. I'm all for the social aspect and believe it's [vital] that gender non conforming children get to meet others with similar interests so they can develop close friendships. In fact I would go further and set up schools exclusively for these kids.

Schools for gender non conforming kids? That is crazy

You tell the toddlers that some boys like sparkles and some girls like cars and we should never criticize that. If they say something like boys can’t like pink, you explain to the child that is wrong. Then you let kids with similar interests play together regardless of sex.

An update on the transcript. It's good to go, just making sure that Pencils and Orchid are happy with it and to get the go ahead from michael.

I will post the link ASAP!

You tell the toddlers that some boys like sparkles and some girls like cars and we should never criticize that. If they say something like boys can’t like pink, you explain to the child that is wrong. Then you let kids with similar interests play together regardless of sex.

Your argument only stands up if you believe the differences between the sexes is all down to socialization, I don't, I believe there is a big biological element.

Assuming you are correct and it is all socialization, surely it would be easier to socialize the few gender non conforming kids to fit in rather than changing the way we socialize the other 95%?

I hope you agree that would be cruel.

That's why I do think there is a role for a group like Mermaids but without all the gender rubbish.

Exactly. A group that wasn't promoting an extremist ideology and that conformed to safeguarding standards for GNC kids would be great and entirely deserving of public funds for a support network. That group is not Mermaids.

An update on the transcript. It's good to go, just making sure that Pencils and Orchid are happy with it and to get the go ahead from michael.

Thank you so much for all the hard work on this.

Sharetoken link to Janice Turner's article on the Mermaids training www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-ideologists-are-spreading-cod-science-m8n0pdbq3?shareToken=3be0ee97d24e2ed7368c913e8c7ee466

Completely disagree that GNC kids should be schooled separately. Bonkers idea. Schools need to have good anti-bullying policy and practice.

I notice they're still using those utterly discredited suicide stats.

Assuming you are correct and it is all socialization, surely it would be easier to socialize the few gender non conforming kids to fit in rather than changing the way we socialize the other 95%?

Why can't we let children be who they are? And teach the bullies to be more accepting of those who are different. If a boy is happier playing with girls, why not let him play with girls?

What would be cruel is to tell him that because he likes girls' toys, that he is actually a girl.

Ha I'm happy to be both crazy and bonkers but don't worry I have no power or money so it won't come to fruition.

I agree medically altering children's bodies is cruel but it is also cruel to allow a child to be be isolated and lonely for large chunks of their childhood.

If a boy is happier playing with girls, why not let him play with girls

Because there will come an age when he won't be able to completely fit in with the girls, think girls ballet classes or joining groups like guides (I know they have recently changed)

Also maybe the girls won't want him around as they perceive him as being different? Or are you saying the girls must accept him yet adult women do not have to accept that TWAW?

"The wrong side of science"

Epic

A GNC boy should not be prevented from playing with girls. That's a completely different thing to TWAW, accepting such a boy at guides etc. Friendship groups form and fall apart all the time.

Thingybob

You seem to have a very narrow view of girls' interests. Not all girls like ballet, and boys can learn ballet too.

Also maybe the girls won't want him around as they perceive him as being different? Or are you saying the girls must accept him yet adult women do not have to accept that TWAW?

Some girls are accepted into male friendship groups - there have always been 'tomboys', and girls can be very open to a boy who wants to join their group. This is not the same as telling the boy that he is actually a girl.

Ballet actually needs males doesn't it? To do the male ballet parts...

Any update on the transcript OP? I have a school teacher friend eager to read it....