Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

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" Big businesses helped kill the Texas bathroom bill two years ago, targeting it as discriminatory and unnecessary.

They said the legislation, which would have required Texans to use the restrooms that match their sex at birth, would have hampered efforts to woo new companies to the state and turned off convention planners and sports leagues looking at venues for events.

Now, some companies are doubling down on that commitment, citing diversity and inclusivity as factors in their decisions. Apple made this clear Thursday, when it announced a $1 billion investment in the capital city.

The bathroom bill, or something like it, may be back when state lawmakers meet in 2019. But opponents of these restroom regulations say the business community will again give them the ammunition they need to shoot down such divisive legislation.

I'm not 6 years old, so I'm indifferent to seeing penises, boobs, and vaginas in public spaces.

You'd have to be looking pretty closely to see a vagina

There are no statistics which show an elevation in crime in toilets and changing rooms following a change in policy to allow transwomen in

womanmeanssomething.com/1034-2/

Do you see vaginas? How exactly?

Curious to know.

Do you carry a speculum? That’s dedicated

And also a teensy bit disturbing. You are not my gynecologist, random person in the changing room at the pool, so if you could stop attempting to perform internal exams on me when I'm trying to change into my swimsuit that would be lovely.

Do you see vaginas ?

I don’t think you do.

Cross-dressing and being transgender are completely different things.

Tara Hewitt, influential NHS Diversity adviser, co-founder of TELI training session for healthcare professionals.
Tara says otherwise (I'm sure she would know given she wrote the ammendments to ward policies etc)

'Trans People and Cancer Session'

I feel like we've had this exact discussion approximately a billion times, though admittedly usually without quite this open a level of misogynistic disdain for women's feelings. Is the CD player broken?

Incorrect, transwomen are very very clear that they are not cross-dressers, and that transitioning and being a cross-dresser are two very different things. That statement was consistent with what a transwoman would say.

Nope.

https://www.scottishtrans.org/trans-rights/an-intro-to-trans-terms/transgender-umbrella/

Do you need to have gender reassignment surgery (a 'sex change operation') to be trans?
A lot of media coverage is obsessed with details of body parts and surgical procedures. For some trans people, having gender reassignment surgery is an important part of their transition. Getting access to that surgery is extremely difficult at the moment, and more investment is desperately needed so that trans people can get the procedures they need.

But for other trans people surgery isn’t something they want. Being trans isn’t about having (or not having) particular body parts. It’s something that’s absolutely core to a trans person’s identity and doesn’t alter - whatever outward appearances might be.

From stonewall for those not familiar with the 'umbrella'.

What about this trans woman, should we let them in?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

Study says that all perpetrators are men, so transwomen aren't to blame. Men wouldn't be allowed in women's toilets if you allow transwomen in

How are we supposed to tell the difference between a man who identifies as a woman and a man who says they identify as a woman, exactly?

So yeah, anyway, our holy mother of the Bunbury would suggest talking around the angry attempts at derailment at this point. The tech industry is problematic for women in all kinds of ways, so let's talk about that.

(Especially if we have any MNers who work in it and thus might welcome a bit of support.)

We have, yes AAK. But for those of us parked under a baby watching random documentaries on the history of tanks, it’s little enough hassle.

And the lurkers - they read. They know. They see men telling us we can’t have women’s loos, or be safe in prisons, and all the other shit. Lots of those women have experienced Male violence.
And then they write to their MP, and talk to other women, and thus the word spreads ^have you heard about this self ID thing? No, what’s that?... don’t be daft that couldn’t ... what? They let who into a women’s prison..? Ffs...’

Carry on, Pj you’re doing sterling work. Tell us how we are silly, and wrong. And hateful

But for other trans people surgery isn’t something they want. Being trans isn’t about having (or not having) particular body parts. It’s something that’s absolutely core to a trans person’s identity and doesn’t alter - whatever outward appearances might be.

From BMJ recently:
Published 29 October 2018
'Redesigning gender identity services: an opportunity to generate evidence'
authors: Richard Byng, general practitioner and professor in primary care research, Susan Bewley, emeritus professor of obstetrics and women’s health, Damian Clifford, consultant liaison psychiatrist, Margaret McCartney, general practitioner and freelance writer
(extracts)
"A recent feature in The BMJ implied that new services are all that’s needed to improve transgender healthcare. Providing timely, sensitive services for all, including those who decide to not pursue treatment or detransition, is important. But the article did not question the steep rise in referrals of mainly young women or the potential harms of medical overdiagnosis and overtreatment" (continues)

"Regulated medical practitioners should follow a framework of evidence, not simply respond to client expectations. Creating that evidence to inform quality standards is an ethical imperative. We need research to explore the interplays between gender identity, mental health and neurodevelopmental problems, sexual orientation, autogynephilia, and unpalatable gender roles" (continues)

www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4490.full?ijkey=6lX93kQA0lz5YoB&keytype=ref

thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3410257-BMJ-article-We-need-research-to-explore-the-interplays-between-gender-identity-mental-health-and-neurodevelopmental-problems-sexual-orientation-autogynephilia-and-unpalatable-gender-roles

People desperately trying to bait me mostly amuse me at this point, honestly. Reminds me of when my nephew was a toddler (he has since thankfully grown out of the attention seeking and tantrumming stage and is lovely now).

I think we're talking semantics mate.

Stonewall's definition: TRANS
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

They want all of these people to access the spaces of their choice. Many women were okay with the old school transsexuals using women's spaces, some weren't, but the demands now are for any bloke who says so to enter.