Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

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" Big businesses helped kill the Texas bathroom bill two years ago, targeting it as discriminatory and unnecessary.

They said the legislation, which would have required Texans to use the restrooms that match their sex at birth, would have hampered efforts to woo new companies to the state and turned off convention planners and sports leagues looking at venues for events.

Now, some companies are doubling down on that commitment, citing diversity and inclusivity as factors in their decisions. Apple made this clear Thursday, when it announced a $1 billion investment in the capital city.

The bathroom bill, or something like it, may be back when state lawmakers meet in 2019. But opponents of these restroom regulations say the business community will again give them the ammunition they need to shoot down such divisive legislation.

Tech is based in the US. It's not 2 a week there. It's 2 a day.

Men commit violence against other men, true.

Transwomen are more likely to kill than be killed. Women are more likely to be killed.

Transwomen are men, so that whole men kill men fits, but not the way you claim.

if you are bothered about seeing a penis,then I think the problem is with you

I agree, you are not a feminist FPJ. This is the FWR forum so you seem to have taken a wrong turn. Mind the door on your way out.

Bubonic you missed violence against women and girls is taboo and this is proved by the fact that although men kill and assault women in alarmingly high numbers, they kill men even more.

Low representation of women is OK if the firm boasts.

I didn't say that. I defended Apple's policies, and I said these companies tend to be full of snotty feminists, but I didn't say it's OK for them not to employ women.

Men are violent to men so this protects women.

Violence against women being taboo has a protective effect.

This bloke is happy to pretend men are women therefore everyone has to pretend to make this bloke even happier and do he can too boast about being a feminist.

I am proud to say that I am not a feminist.

The global epidemic of violent deaths of trans people is so vast it outnumbers the amount of trans people that exist tenfold.

Logically, this doesn't hold. The number of deaths of trans people can't exceed the number of trans people there are to begin with. But death rates among trans people are extremely high.

I think you've missed the point. The number is smaller, but the rate is higher because the population of transwomen is smaller than the population of women

So we've established that two women every single day are murdered by their male partner in the USA 2 a day, and in the UK two women a week are murdered by their male partner, 2 per week, roughly reflecting the countries populations.

Whereas in the UK and in the USA NO transwomen were killed by their male partner last year or the before. Jean Hatchet "riding for murdered women" was accused of transphobia because she literally couldn't find a transwoman to ride for in the UK. There were none.

Unless you're including South American and Asian sex workers, you are literally safer against being murdered as a white male who identifies as a woman, than any other group.

Again, not our problem. Sort it out amongst yourselves, and until you do so, we will continue to put our energy into protecting girls and women from you as best we can.

Your energy is sorely misplaced. Banning transwomen from women's toilets won't reduce violence against women. Allowing them into the women's toilets won't increase it. You can direct your energy into far more useful and productive endeavors if you want to help women live safely; the campaign for more toilets in India would be a good place to start.

Whereas in the UK and in the USA NO transwomen were killed by their male partner last year or the before.

... Probably because people who want to inflict violence on transwomen... you know... aren't the sort of men who are going to want... to be in a relationship with them... to begin with...

I think you've missed the point. The number is smaller, but the rate is higher because the population of transwomen is smaller than the population of women

Was this your point?

Transwomen are safer than any other category of males, but they exhibit the same level of violence as other males.

Is that where the protection of wimminfolk happens?

When a woman is killed by her partner, it usually follows years of physical abuse. The next woman about to be murdered by her significant other, partner, husband, so, grandson has already been hospitalized or screamed quietly so the neighbors didn't hear.

And no one calls it a hate crime.

Transwomen are more likely to kill than be killed
^^ YY this is true in the UK and the USA.

Also, Cross dressing, AKA autogynephila, AKA being a "Transwoman" is the number one most common paraphilia amoungst sex offenders.
We are being gaslighted to accept cross-dressers as transwomen, and transwomen as real women by Stonewall and the entire liberal elite.

More than 40% of transwomen in prison are there for sex offences against women and children. They aren't women. They are autogynephiles.

Bingo.

Cross-dressing and being transgender are completely different things.

What I'm fascinated by though, is that everyone here is universally arguing that;

1. Transwomen are more likely to kill than be killed.
2. Transwomen are not prone to any significant levels of violence.
3. A significant number of transwomen carry out sexual assaults against women and children.

I know mumsnet doesn't like transwomen, but I never expected such harsh perspectives. I wonder if any of "the other kind" of feminist has seen this board. Steam would be coming out their ears.

Stonewall defines transgender as including cross-dressing - go and look at their definition.

And your points 1-3 (in the U.K.) are matters of record, backed up by official statistics. Educate yourself before you come here and try to educate us.

No, cross dressing men and men with gender dysphoria are women, doncha know?

Crack open some literature by a "gay rights" organization lately.

Lesbians are bigots if they prefer sex with vaginas these days too.

Pssst: if you want to verify the crime stats, do a crawl through the FBI website sometime. Me, I'm going to lunch.

The tech industry is a cesspit of misogny and also has a disproportionate number of transwomen employees who are able to influence policy, hence stuff like this.

Aside - a lot of people seem to think of Apple as the kinder gentler tech company because Steve Jobs was good at PR. It's not, and on a personal level Jobs was not a nice man at all.

I suppose when the facts don't back up your assumptions you are going to think the people telling you about the facts are a bit harsh. Please be assured your discomfort with reality does not change the facts at all. Expecting others to ignore the facts in order not to seem harsh is pathetic.

Steam away, it makes no difference to the facts.

I'm delighted to see penises that I've actively taken steps to ensure that I see, my DHs for example. In public facilities such as changing rooms though? Nope, and most other women feel the same.

Note that this does not mean that I will be engaging with this week's attempt at derailment any further.

Banning transwomen from women's toilets won't reduce violence against women. Allowing them into the women's toilets won't increase it

LOL I thought this was about "women's spaces" not toilets
Replace toilets with spaces and then you get

WTF of course it will, seeing as Target stores saw sexual offences increase astronomically after they introduced trans inclusive policies...

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But of course it helps protect women anyway, preventing men no matter how they identify into their space. It's a no brainer.

It's amazing how one minute it's not about toilets it's about "spaces" then suddenly it's "only toilets" and that won't protect women from males violence anyway, so it may as well be all spaces but only toilets after all

This is gaslighting in full cry.

Fair enough, but my point stands that someone with gender dysphoria who transitions is in a very different world to someone who wears women's clothes just because he gets a kick out of it.

Congratulations, you are now a TERF for that statement.

Cross-dressing and being transgender are completely different things.

Nope. Stonewall umbrella. Have a look. All under there, acceptance without exception and all that. Cross dresser, AGP, the lot.

1 and 2 are demonstrably true - data available.
3 is a dog whistle, no one is saying that. They’re saying making all spaces mixed sex lets in any Male who has nefarious intent. Doesn’t matter if every transwoman on the planet is a saint - you make spaces mixed sex and men will have opportunity to commit more crime. Just men. Not transwomen, your common or garden bloke.

Quite a lot of men really just don’t like women much do they? Still, it’s good to find out which ones don’t want us to have our privacy and safety, so we can avoid them like the plague. Funnily, they all think they’re Nice Guys™️ - charming incel types who can’t understand why the universe hasn’t bestowed a hot chick upon them for their mere existence and can’t underatand it’s not their looks, or their wallet, but their personality that’s at fault.

Such is life. 3 billion plus blokes on the planet, no need to give the creepy ones the time of day.

Wipe your keyboard down if it’s sticky, there’s a love.

There are no statistics which show an elevation in crime in toilets and changing rooms following a change in policy to allow transwomen in.

Wrong. Letting MEN in has lead to a 2.5x increase in voyeuristic crime and assaults in mixed sex change rooms.

You see vaginas?

Do you carry a speculum? That’s dedicated

There have always been human males who are outraged by the fact that human females don't want to see their penises. I see no reason why the subset of human males who say "yeah but mine is a women's penis though" should be given any more leeway than the larger group that don't.