Nicola Huntley peak transiting the home countries over breakfast

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Plenty of shares and dead naming going on.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6476107/Ian-Huntley-wants-sex-change-jails-start-new-life-woman-called-Nicola.html

Do the flakey fools who have let themselves be manipulated into this situation dare to look away now?

Not all humans are like this. But changing the meaning of the word female and woman to mean any psychopath that wants to mean them it is beyond reasonable, beyond conscionable, beyond explaining. How dare they.

Over on AIBU, there are a couple of people tying themselves up in knots to avoid the reality that accepting TWAW has to mean that the likes Huntley must be accepted as women.

They never explain how you differentiate and who does the differentiating, however; nor do they explain how safeguarding means shit under such circumstances (I imagine they belong to the 'if you're assaulted, call the police' school of 'safeguarding' which seems prevalent in TRA-supporting circles these days).

Nicola! My arse. The NERVE of him.

Ah.

Non trans serial sex offender sees really useful loophole to

a) escape from himself and his criminal past and just erase that inconvenient identity

b) get away from an all male environment and be surrounded by an all you can eat buffet of new victims

c) prison staff believe this narrative is useful to gain special treatment and this person may be exploiting this fact.

Gosh, well who'd a thunk? Who ever could have seen this coming?

This is what self ID means. All. Not just the nice fluffy ones. Not the ones Layla Moran has checked the souls of. All of them. Karen White's prison victims probably have highly transphobic opinions about having been used in this disgusting and negligent experiment on throwing women in front of sex offenders to see if gender somehow erases biology/the past/reality/all need for safeguarding. I nominate them to write the prison policy, who better qualified than them?

This is

"Even after his arrest, 13 days after he killed the girls, Huntley tried to cheat the criminal justice system. He refused to speak to police and - many officers believed - feigned madness. "He said nothing - he just dribbled," said one source. They had no choice but to surrender him to Rampton secure hospital"

It's also highly relevant that he feigned mental illness in attempt to get out of being tried criminally.

Checks and balances prevented him being detained in a mental health unit instead of a prison.

Where are the checks and balances that prevent him being detained in a female prison?

Some would say that if Stonewall were on the side of genuinely transgender people they wouldn't be holding the door open for Ian Huntley to blacken their names.

He, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he.

Ian Huntley is MALE.

The only good thing about this is I now have a cast iron example of why we should absolutely not adopt a gender based policy at a children’s service I volunteer for.

What a crazy world. Ian fucking Huntley may end up being the savior of women's rights!

Over on AIBU, there are a couple of people tying themselves up in knots to avoid the reality

I just read through. It looks more like ensuring pages and pages of bunfight with one person dominating the thread about nothing in particular to bore everyone else into closing the thread and going away without bothering to read. Huge commitment of time and energy into stopping women reading or thinking about it.

It just proves to me that for some men identifying as women it is about control and hating women.

Might have guessed one of those posters would be Verbeena.

Shouldn't the title refer to "Ian Huntley" or "Soham murderer Huntley"?

I don't think "Ian" breaks any guidelines and if does "Soham murderer Huntley" doesn't.

I don't think using the name he has picked was a good choice.

What a crazy world. Ian fucking Huntley may end up being the savior of women's rights!

Whilst I do know exactly what you meant... I won't give him that. He won't be the saviour of anything or anyone. He may be the example that peaks people to the point THEY realise and do something about saving women's rights

I know I'm splitting hairs but he deserves no credit himself

This is self-id. For all of the TRAs and their allies who support it, this is what the result will be. You can't expect to be able to add exceptions for some people.

I'm disgusted that my taxes could be used to pay for this no life saving surgeries. Prisoners should have the right to be treated for illnesses and serious conditions. But SRS should not be offered on the state to sexual predators, rapist, murderers or pedophiles. They are violating society's trust twice.

Here's what I think is happening here. There is an attempt underway to establish in legal precedent the idea that being trans creates a mental state in which it's understandable that men with genderfeels lash out violently at women and girls. This is not the first case in which that argument has been floated (Donna Perry tried it during their trial).

The appeal of this idea to men who've committed crimes that will keep them in jail for a long time is obvious. If this is established as an idea that's considered to have any validity either legally or socially then Huntley will not be the last exceptionally dangerous man to take advantage of it.

Why is anyone surprised?

Three minutes of anyone able to get over their fear of being slightly rude (!) will realise that women own the meaning of woman.

Step away from my identity.

Step away.

Remember when people said that Ian Huntley wasn't really claiming to be trans, and this was just lies made up by The Sun to make transprople look bad?

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Here's some Lib Dem Lord wanker trying to make out it's a hoax www.libdemvoice.org/how-transgender-people-are-treated-in-prison-57873.html

Nope, Lord Woke, sorry, you don't get to pretend that this isn't an inevitable and entirely predictable result of the incredibly stupid policies you support.

If TWAW and if we can self-identify our legal sex then Huntley alone decides their sex, and the sex under which their crimes will be recorded. If Huntley decides to "identify as a woman" then the logical conclusion of Stonewall's agenda is that Holly and Jessica were murdered by a woman and it should be recorded as a female crime.

If we make an exception for Huntley, who else do we exclude? Karen White? The flasher who exposes their penis at work? People who are a bit unpleasant when they have been provoked? Anyone who might potentially pose a future risk?

We have ended up in a mess because well meaning liberals have worked under the assumption that people will be nice to each other and not abuse the obvious safeguarding hazards when you risk assess transwomen in the same way as women.

At some point a senior figure in society needs to point out that transwomen are not women and we do not need to suspend reality in order to support males presenting with gender dysphoria.

lib dem wanker is a tautology. It’s the political party for self-regarding ineffectual posturing.

Holly and Jessica