Nicola Huntley peak transiting the home countries over breakfast

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Plenty of shares and dead naming going on.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6476107/Ian-Huntley-wants-sex-change-jails-start-new-life-woman-called-Nicola.html

He needs a fucking noose, not a sex change!

No, fuck this, just fuck it. If you support self ID and say TWAW you don't get to pick and choose.
And everyone who has enabled this shit show can fucking own it.

This.

And actually, it doesn't actually really matter if this is true or not does it? The fact is, under new legislation, it would be perfectly acceptable (and Ruth Hunt says 'acceptance without exception) and anyone could do this.

Wasn't there an example of another man self id-ing as a woman, taking the name of the mother of the female they'd murdered or abused?

from the opening of the article:

Child killer Ian Huntley is pushing for a move to a female jail by dressing up in woman's clothes and claiming he's going to get a sex change, according to reports.

• Due to Huntley's crimes he would likely be of a category that could not be accomodated in the female prison estate.

• central to the key issue is 'dressing up in women's clothes' & 'getting a sex change'

humans can't change sex & there are only clothes. Performing/assuming some gendered stereotypes eg clothes and name does not make a man a woman

Francis Crook executive director of the Howard League for Penal Reform "said that she was worried that ‘some men with a history of extreme violence and sexual violence against women have found a new way of exercising aggression towards women’.

‘These men are not transitioning because they like women and want to be a woman, but in order to exert a new kind of control and dominance over women, a sort of infiltration."

source:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

Claude Knights (safeguarding expert retired after 15 years as head of Kidscape, CEO of Anti Bullying charity and part of Westminster safeguarding committee)
on sex offenders who transition and are afforded the opportunity to change their name and hide their history as a consequence & recent case of "Christopher Noble, 32, transitioned to Christyl Knight while behind bars for keeping a stash of over 4,000 vile pictures and videos of kids as young as six months old"

“Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”
“Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

[[www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/]]

I thought this person wanted to be known as 'Liane' Huntley. Have they changed their mind on a whim? That never happens

But this doesn't happen
This never happens
I was promised
Were they wrong when they told me dangerous men would never pretend to be trans for their own joy?

apologies, re broken link above
"Christopher Noble, 32, transitioned to Christyl Knight while behind bars for keeping a stash of over 4,000 vile pictures and videos of kids as young as six months old"

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

Its important to remember that following Huntley's murder of Jessicca Chapman and Holly Wells the review into how he came to to be employed as a school caretaker who lived on site led to significant changes to Safeguarding/ Child Protection frameworks:

"CRB checks were launched in March 2002 and were run by Capita.

Before CRB's the only checks were made against List 99. List 99 was for 80 years a controversial secret register of people barred from working with children by the Department of Education and Skills.The list contained the names, aliases, dates of birth and national insurance numbers of those people deemed not suitable to work with children in schools, social work and voluntary settings.

The procedures of the CRB were tightened following the Soham murders trial. Ian Huntley, a former caretaker, was found guilty of murdering two girls of a Cambridgeshire primary school in 2002. Huntley had been suspected of a string of offences including rape, indecent assault and burglary. His only conviction before the murders was for riding an uninsured and unlicensed motorcycle, but a burglary charge had remained on file. In January 2006, following controversies resulting from cases where staff had been hired by schools before a full CRB check had been carried out, the Department for Education and Skills stated: "Employers should obtain a CRB Enhanced Disclosure in respect of all teachers they recruit before the person is placed in a school." Huntley had been hired in November 2001, before the CRB came into force.

The DBS was formed in 2012 by merging the functions of the Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) and the Independent Safeguarding Authority (ISA) under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

DBS started operating on 1 December 2012. It operates from Liverpool and Darlington. Its equivalent agencies are Disclosure Scotland in Scotland and Access Northern Ireland in Northern Ireland."

stgilesstrust.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/129/~/dbs%2Fcrb-checks

But this doesn't happen

As Shakespeare didn't say:

There is more evil in heaven and earth, woke people,
Than is dreamt of in your philosophy.

A lot of the woke folk pushing for trans rights are naive middle class tossers who a few years ago were campaigning to replace applause with jazz hands because the noise is like literal murder, yah? They cannot cope with the fact that the world contains bad people who do bad things. Hence the Green Party's utterly disgraceful courting of the Challoners: they couldn't believe that someone could be both a Green and a rapist.

Which is why safeguarding is so important. As Leonard Cohen didn't say, "There is a crack in everything, that’s how the dark gets in".

Current thread with examples of failings / failures of Safeguarding and Child Protection frameworks:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

I don’t think sex change surgery should be available to murderers or other violent criminals. It completely ruins the trans movement — this idiot is clearly trying to get out of a man’s prison and thinks moving to a woman’s is the softer option.

Here's what I think is happening here. There is an attempt underway to establish in legal precedent the idea that being trans creates a mental state in which it's understandable that men with genderfeels lash out violently at women and girls. This is not the first case in which that argument has been floated (Donna Perry tried it during their trial).

I think it was mentioned in the Karen Jones case where this convicted murderer attempted to rape a woman.

And don't forget in the Donna Perry case the judge commended serial murderer of women Donna for Donna's "bravery".

I just read through. It looks more like ensuring pages and pages of bunfight with one person dominating the thread about nothing in particular to bore everyone else into closing the thread and going away without bothering to read. Huge commitment of time and energy into stopping women reading or thinking about it.

Yes.

Cherries, a soft option with plenty of potential victims surely.

Re DBS checks, current court case which if successful would set serious precedent:

Andrew Gilligan Times September 2018
'Trans offender seeks to wipe crimes as a man from record'

A transgender offender is seeking to delete from her record two crimes that could only have been committed by a man.

“I do not wish my gender history to be more widely known and do not wish to disclose my trans status to employers,” the woman, who asked to be identified only as Helen, said. She wishes to launch a judicial review to remove two convictions for “importuning as a man” when she worked at a Soho “clip joint” in the 1970s and 1980s.

A right to removal, if established, could cover rape, another crime that can legally be committed only by a person with a penis.

Trans people with a gender recognition certificate are legally entitled to keep their birth gender secret.

Helen’s barrister, Claire McCann, said disclosure of offences that revealed Helen’s birth gender in criminal record checks was “severe and discriminatory interference with Helen’s right to respect for her private life

Christopher Stacey, director of Unlock, a support group that is backing the case and seeking other potential claimants, said the law risked “outing” transgender people.”(continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/trans-offender-seeks-to-wipe-crimes-as-aman-from-record-qfk5w68lb

Unlock Campaign:
'Call for evidence: DBS checks which reveal trans/gender history because of gender-specific offences committed in the past'

"The current criminal record disclosure rules are unnecessarily harsh and disproportionate – they mean that standard and enhanced DBS checks continue to disclose old, minor and irrelevant offences that often happened decades ago. This means people can feel like they are effectively serving a life sentence for minor offences that they committed in their youth.

As part of our work on this, we’ve become aware of Helen’s* story, and we want to see if Helen’s problem is shared by others." (continues)

www.unlock.org.uk/call-for-evidence-dbs-checks-transgender/

It completely ruins the trans movement

Er, it's the trans movement which is claiming that anyone who says they are a woman is a woman, no exceptions. It's people outside the echo chamber who are saying "hey peeps, are you sure about that? I mean, does it occur to you this might have some side effects you aren't keen on?". It's the TRAs saying TWAW, No Exceptions, not people outside the echo chamber holding them to a standard they reject.

So here's a self-identified trans woman who is, therefore, a woman. The TRAs don't get to suddenly row back on "no exceptions" just because they don't like the company of this particular TW.

Cherries101: "I don’t think sex change surgery should be available to murderers or other violent criminals."

Under the proposed legislation, Huntley wouldn't need sex change surgery. He would just need to say he believes himself to be a woman and apply for a gender recognition certificate, which would also change his sex on his birth certificate.

(In fact, even under current legislation Huntley wouldn't need sex change surgery. He would need to live "as a woman" for two years and then persuade a medical board that he felt himself truly to be a woman. But that is presumably quite a high hurdle to pass if you are a convicted child-murderer.)

Describing plastic sugery, whether facial, breast implants, mastectomies or genital as 'sex change surgery' obfuscates the reality that humans can't change sex.

I don't see, if Huntley pushed this up to the high levels of court, that there will be the grounds to refuse him. It is discrimination the way the law and policy has been allowed to become so confused, with these pathways being selectively extended. If that still works at all now, it won't for much longer.

The ruddy government have sleep walked into a situation where the law is such a mess that the only way for this to go is to a deeply, publicly unpopular mess that will be hell to undo. The only way out of this now is to create a third space in all situations, clearly legally separate sex and gender, and make damn clear that anyone born male may use the space of their sex or the gender neutral space. That's it. There will be one hell of a kick off, but frankly now they're going to get one hell of a kick off whatever they do.

But that is presumably quite a high hurdle to pass if you are a convicted child-murderer.)

I'm not sure that would come into it, as knickknack said.

I don't see, if Huntley pushed this up to the high levels of court, that there will be the grounds to refuse him

The grounds to transfer to female estate will be Huntley's classification of risk eg category.

There are males who identify as women whose category of risk means they have been refused transfer. They will keep appealing no doubt and in the meantime are treated as 'living as women' so increasingly able to apply for a GRC.

Convictions for the most serious of crimes of course mean long prison sentences.

It seems unlikely that there will be grounds to refuse Huntley the 'privileges' that come with his 'gender identity' of trans woman / woman.

There's a male prisoner who identifies as a woman & has been refused transfer for reasons above who has had time to write a guide for other trans prisoners. THe prisoner also tweets, which I find surprising. twitter.com/lifersarah?lang=en
review:
"After explaining ‘What is transgender?’ this first book on transgender in a prison setting looks at the entire HM Prison Service regime for such people. Ranging from hard information about rules and regulations, the transition process and how to access it to practical suggestions about clothing, wigs and hairpieces, make-up and coming out, the book also deals with such matters as change of name, gender identity clinics, hormones, medication and use of prison showers and toilets. Covering the entire transition process the book contains contributions from a number of transgender prisoners as well as extracts from reports showing how those in transition still tend to attract a negative portrayal. Also included are the special security implications of related procedures and descriptions of the attitudes to transgender inmates of other prisoners and staff. It contains a number of appendices dealing with the latest 2016 HM Prison Service Instruction on transgender prisoners and a range of support mechanisms including a list of specialists in the field and other useful reference sources and contacts.
It also contains Sarah Jane Baker’s account of her own male-to-female transition and the difficulties she has faced behind bars. The first book of its kind, written by a transgender life-sentence prisoner. Includes key extracts from official publications. With a graphic account of the author’s own transition journey. Contains practical information and tips."

www.amazon.co.uk/Transgender-Behind-Prison-Walls-Sarah/dp/1909976458?tag=mumsnetforum-21

AIBU full thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3446753-ian-huntley-this-is-wrong