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Vice: how an online forum for moms became a toxic hotbed of transphobia

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NotTerfNorCis · 06/12/2018 18:16

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

Thought people might be interested in this article. One thing that strikes me is the 'reducing women to their biology' argument. Don't transwomen 'know' they're not male because their body feels wrong? Then it is about biology isn't it? Otherwise why do they think they're female?

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Ereshkigal · 07/12/2018 15:50

Can anyone remember any radio or tv broadcast where one of the transwoman regulars being interviewed didn't speak right over and interrupt any woman speaker just like men constantly do?

I don't think any of these people have ever pretended to be allies of women.

terryleather · 07/12/2018 15:52

Oh my goodness arran that Big Think piece could have been written about the overlords - really interesting to think about it in a wider context too. Thanks for posting.

VickyEadie · 07/12/2018 15:53

I don't think any of these people have ever pretended to be allies of women.

They don't even like women or try to hide their absolute contempt for women.

"Enjoy ur (sic) erasure" always springs to mind.

hackmum · 07/12/2018 16:06

Seriously I thought that article was going to be satire when I saw the headline and the claim that mumsnetters were using recipes to be mean to trans activists.

Welcome back, iguana, but obviously you've been away a long time if you didn't realise that sharing recipes was LITERAL VIOLENCE.

merrymouse · 07/12/2018 16:11

The distinction between online “free speech”—often posited as a defence by website owners and admins—and offline harassment and abuse is becoming increasingly discredited.

Pretty easy to distinguish between people talking about recipes on an anonymous forum and somebody urinating on a door. Perhaps Eve could have benefited from doing some more in depth research.

Prior argues that Mumsnet has been hijacked by anti-trans campaigners as a safe space for organizing, rather than the sentiment having grown organically through its original base.

I'm really confused - are these people supposed to be white middle class mothers too, or is 'white middle class mother' just supposed to discredit the site generally?

In its early days, Mumsnet operated as a one-stop-shop for mothers. Amongst discussions about the practicalities of motherhood, childcare, support for disabled children, and a range of other topics, Mumsnet was most likely to hit headlines for the likes of the infamous "penis beaker” thread, which gained internet notoriety when a user asked for views on her post-sex cleanup arrangements.

Don't know what counts as the early days - I think I first posted in about 2004, but from what I remember there have always lengthy, informed, well argued discussions about politics. I think of 'penis beaker' as comparatively recent. (Just checked, it was 2013 - I remember this more as the era of Bedroom Tax threads).

sackrifice · 07/12/2018 16:20

Late to the party today but can I just say sackrifice that boozy damson flapjacks sound beyond lush...

I know, right?

ChewyLouie · 07/12/2018 16:39

Wrongsideofhistory, Pass the comfy chair!

hackmum · 07/12/2018 16:45

I'm really confused - are these people supposed to be white middle class mothers too, or is 'white middle class mother' just supposed to discredit the site generally?

It's the famous Schrodinger's Mumsnetter making an appearance: simultaneously a white middle-class, Boden-wearing, 4x4 driving mum whose views on self-ID have no validity, and an evil external agitator, probably funded by shadowy far right US organisations with an anti-trans agenda.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 07/12/2018 16:58

A militant vegan lentil-knitter who can make a chicken last a family for a week.

Lawlsie1976 · 07/12/2018 17:02

iguanadonna Fri 07-Dec-18 15:08:48

By a young woman who has not yet realized that being a feminist means sometimes not being very pleasing to the men around her.

Oh god yes, this! A thousand times this.

terryleather Fri 07-Dec-18 15:27:31

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that not giving in to every whim and demand of the overlords = transphobia in the genderists' minds.

This is why I no longer give a flying fuck through a rolling donut about the accusations they fart out on a tiresomely regular basis.

Quite! Very well put. Me too!

Racecardriver · 07/12/2018 17:02

Bunch of people omen brought together by their experiences arising from their female bodies are doubious about claims that feelings make you a woman. Shock horror.

Bubonicpanic · 07/12/2018 17:04

It's mostly Prior speaking though isn't it. Who spent several months here berating everyone non stop earlier this year. Mostly for not believing the junk science. Prior is the one with the hate problem. It must be infuriating that people don't want to pretend. They need to come to terms with this.

merrymouse · 07/12/2018 17:20

I supposed Schrodinger's mumsnetter would have to be moderated by Schrodinger's moderator - simultaneously deleting content that breaches talk guidelines and making it available for distribution.

StarsAndWater · 07/12/2018 17:20

can't believe no-one has saidNOBODY EXPECTS THE TRANISH INQUISITION.

😂😂😂

LangCleg · 07/12/2018 17:22

It's the famous Schrodinger's Mumsnetter making an appearance: simultaneously a white middle-class, Boden-wearing, 4x4 driving mum whose views on self-ID have no validity, and an evil external agitator, probably funded by shadowy far right US organisations with an anti-trans agenda.

Rumbled.

LangCleg · 07/12/2018 17:23

Who spent several months here berating everyone non stop earlier this year. Mostly for not believing the junk science.

And calling the actual science quackery!

merrymouse · 07/12/2018 17:25

R0wantrees, she appears to be muting replies to talk about recipes. Is that on purpose or has she not noticed what she has done?

StrangeLookingParasite · 07/12/2018 17:29

The Tranish Inquistion

This is gold.

Eve, on the other hand, not so much.

merrymouse · 07/12/2018 18:10

According to twitter one of the co-founders of Vice magazine, Gavin McInnes, went on to found the 'Proud Boys', a far right nationalist group that excludes women. He has since distanced himself from the Proud Boys (and just 'supports western values'), and Vice bought him out in 2008

However, the other two cofounders worked with McInnes for 14 years and are still involved with the magazine.

I think Justine Robert's judgement is a little less suspect.

Squall · 07/12/2018 18:25

I would like to take a moment to apologise if I ever interrupt or otherwise mess up the flow of discussions on here. I think it may be all those years of thinking about nappies has sent my mind a bit skew-whif.

I did get a bit confused and suspicious about the number of times the word liberation was used. People who do that make me want to hide behind a big rock.

Tanith · 07/12/2018 18:38

D’you think they’re being paid to monitor Mumsnet? If so, I’d like to sign up to the monitoring team, please!

NotTerfNorCis · 07/12/2018 18:38

Loving the Tranish Inquisition, Schroedinger's Mumsnetter and all the other wit and wisdom on this thread. Grin

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ErrolTheDragon · 07/12/2018 18:51

A militant vegan lentil-knitter who can make a chicken last a family for a week.

A really militant vegan lentil-knitter can make a chicken last forever (or at least, the natural lifetime of a chicken). Wow betide them if they break feminist solidarity with the chicken by eating her eggs though.

I haven't seen many recipes involving eggs on FWR so I think we're doing reasonably well on the PETA feminism criterion at least.

OlennasWimple · 07/12/2018 18:56

Nah, Tanith, I reckon they are doing it voluntarily because there's nothing more fulfilling to them than finding some speckle of a post that appears to validate their victim complex

LikeDust · 07/12/2018 19:03

I wonder how difficult it is for the monitors to remain frothing and outraged reading mumsnet.

I reckon they barely read theads. Probably just screenshot the FWR titles page and search around key words eg 'munschausens by proxy' - that kind of thing or look through the posting histories of prominent feminist mners trying to get them a permanent ban.

I doubt they would be able keep up the cats bum face for that long.

Also i have noticed MRA trolls always mention the penis beaker thread to make out they are really in there with mners even though it wasn't that a big a deal. There have been much funnier threads.

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