Vice: how an online forum for moms became a toxic hotbed of transphobia

[NotTerfNorCis]

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

Thought people might be interested in this article. One thing that strikes me is the 'reducing women to their biology' argument. Don't transwomen 'know' they're not male because their body feels wrong? Then it is about biology isn't it? Otherwise why do they think they're female?

Oh fucking biscuits! I thought she was blathering about fecking aubergines.

Thinking about the wording ... what is "toxic" supposed to mean?

We talk of toxic masculinity, but that harms men, too.

I don't notice any toxicity here.

Are we the human equivalent of clownfish, able to thrive among the poisonous tentacles of an anemone?

Oh fucking biscuits! I thought she was blathering about fecking aubergines.

That would make an excellent coded emoji in discussions

hot porridge, with a splash of whisky, and the cat wants into the hotbed too..................Cosy! I'm having a snooze ( put my empty bowl on the bedside someone please.)

Anyone else noticed that the people accusing Mumsnet of being white middle-class bigots are usually white and middle-class themselves? I've noticed personally among friends that transactivism / pro-trans views provide a kind of extra bonus points system for nice liberal white privileged folk to signal how right-on they are. They generally have no clue about trans issues or self-ID laws or feminism but just want to feel that they're 'on the right side of history'. It's mindless knee-jerk liberalism at its worst.

That said, the video they embedded in that article about the Mormon transman who was going through top surgery and battling for acceptance in his community was interesting. The sad thing for me is that the Mormon church is deeply sexist with heavily gendered social and dress codes for men and women.

I wonder if this man hadn't been raised in such a misogynist environment, whether he might have been happy as a woman or as a non-binary person. The way he got tearful when he spoke about god loving him as 'His son' really resonated with me as someone who was also raised with a lot of religious misogyny. Patriarchal religion makes you feel second-class if you are born female. I think trans issues are hiding a lot of fundamentally conservative rigid ideas about gender and that's where the root of my skepticism about trans issues come from.

But that is a nuanced discussion, of course aka TRANSPHOBIC!! Much better to just ban all talk of trans issues from anything but a 100% positive point of view so no-one gets the bad feelz and has to have a cry about the horrendous 'bigotry' on here.

Fucking CIS..fuxk off with your CIS, ffs!

I did read more than that,but I am so sick of people not in the know making up names for me!!!

Neither am I a terf!??

They are very good at making up names and fabricating anything to suit their agenda.

Also, encompassing a whole group of genuine trans who don't want to be encompassed and conveniently ignoring a bloody obvious disparity between them, and that we're OK with that.

Sick of being told what I am and what I think. Screw them, I am not transphobic, they are walking all over real tw, and women.

We're not even 'Moms' here either

Vice is based in the US, isn't it? We should expect an influx of US Moms coming to check out the bigotry and ending up all radicalized.

Is porridge oatmeal? Not a fan but whiskey might change my mind.

Come see us on Momsnet, not!

I quite like peanut butter in porridge - adds some extra protein

Or even peanut butter and Nutella in porridge.

PP said no milk with Weetabix. WTAF? That's just crumbly woodchip.

Yeah but apparently FoldyRoll you spread them with butter

I love oatmeal! With brown sugar and cranberries - or fresh blueberries !- it is my favourite breakfast!
Except if the words I used are not defined. Then of course anything could be anything and I can‘t know what I like, nor what ‚like‘ means.

Feeling very Scottish indeed reading these appalling accounts of porridge with sweet toppings. Porridge is made from oats, water and salt. A little milk or cream poured over at the table. That's how my mother makes it and she's 86. Take heed, all you young lassies, and change your ways while you still have time.

Far too late, since I have already bred with this man, I learn that my late MIL ate buttered Weetabix and fed her son on Weetabix, cornflakes, sugar and hot milk all together in one bowl of pure vileness.

Shriek - me neither. And I'm certainly not a 'mom'

Pain au choc for us - yum!

Who puts salt in porridge? Brown sugar all the way.
I was a Mummy, became a Mum, lo is now being taught I am a Mom, but she is holding out Aah, the black country [waves at people with a funky accent and dialect]

Bittermints that's how my father (Scots mother) made it as well. :)

He would be horrified to know i make porridge most mornings for my bairns with full cream milk, some raisins and honey! And I have it with nuts or peanut butter

is this article aimed at N American cousins

It may be. I know two American allies who shudder in horror at FWR here. Good. Keeps out the riff-raff.

I want to know what these "coded emojis" are.

Squall I'm waving back at you from the Black Country. Good morning to you my dear.

I want to know what these "coded emojis" are.

They mean .

So I guess biscuit recipes would be a double whammy.

Sorry - late to the party and just saw the insider info on "coded emojis". I make some damned fine coded emojis and bring them into the office occasionally.

I had my toxic hotbed surgically evicted a number of years ago due to cervical cancer. Now I can sleep in lovely white cotton sheets and not have the place look like a murder scene.

But, like, Rufus, I have to get up to pee in the middle of the night.

And, Miranda, it is lovely to see you, as always. I hope you are keeping well.

Who puts salt in porridge?

puts hand up, defiantly

But, then again. I'm a terf so I'm capable of all sorts. Except eating Weetabix, which is revolting.