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Vice: how an online forum for moms became a toxic hotbed of transphobia

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NotTerfNorCis · 06/12/2018 18:16

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

Thought people might be interested in this article. One thing that strikes me is the 'reducing women to their biology' argument. Don't transwomen 'know' they're not male because their body feels wrong? Then it is about biology isn't it? Otherwise why do they think they're female?

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Dothehappydance · 06/12/2018 23:29

This Weetabix thing. Is it bananas with Weetabix that is bad? Or those Banana Weetabix ones? Dd2 has the latter. Loves them she does. strange child

My Mom cos I'm a midlander has them dry with butter on top. Surely that has to be top of the 'wrong' list?

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 06/12/2018 23:29

Good thread - thanks handmaiden Eva 🤣

papayasareyum · 06/12/2018 23:30

I must admit, I came over here months ago to see what all this transphobia was about. What I found was a large group of hugely eloquent, united women, incredibly intelligent and good humoured women who, quite frankly, could’ve been far more angry than they were/are. Anger is justified.
I don’t see transphobia, unless you think transphobia is saying “woman: adult human female” or “transwomen are transwomen not women” or “women don’t have penises”
We don’t live in an Orwellian dictatorship just yet, thank fuck for Mumsnet I say.

BlackForestCake · 06/12/2018 23:35

transphobia is women saying or doing anything that blue-haired Goldsmiths children object to, especially if it is factually true.

LikeDust · 06/12/2018 23:36

I think it is this one Rowan linked to on page 4 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3377721-Joss-Prior-on-Posie-Parker-feminism-Mumsnet-FWR-boards-etc

terryleather · 06/12/2018 23:39

Banana Weetabix are acceptable Dothe, but normal Weetabix + banana + hot milk = The Notorious Weetabix Banana Horror and is not acceptable. Ever. Despite what some other posters here may tell you...

sackrifice · 06/12/2018 23:43

Thought it was interesting that Marc Almond turned up on a thread earlier then did a big reveal - maybe i'll read that instead

WUT YOU ON ABAHT?

ArcheryAnnie · 07/12/2018 00:00

It was only when I read Bittermints post on page 4 that I realised the "coded emojis" were biscuits.

I've already got a few very nice tins of coded emojis stashed in the cupboards to give away at xmas.

Also while I'm on here - sackrifice, that's a really interesting coffee liqueur recipe you posted earlier, thanks.

NotYourCisterinAus · 07/12/2018 00:02

I went over to Eve's twitter to have a quick lurk monitor it, and couldn't help noticing from her user pic that she's obviously white, probably middle class (she writes for the Guardian ffs!) She's young, but in twenty years or so she'll win the Non-Woke Trifecta: White, middle class and middle-aged.

Meanwhile, over on Lipstick Alley's feminist board, they're not having any of this nonsense either.

sackrifice · 07/12/2018 00:03

that's a really interesting coffee liqueur recipe you posted earlier, thanks#

It is amazing. Happy to share.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 07/12/2018 00:16

Interesting that the assumption is that MN FWR is all white and middle class.

The implication is that being articulate, informed and radical is the sole property of white, middle class women. As if being working class or other ethnicity automatically means you can’t be any of those things.

The implicit racism and classism of that assumption says a great deal about the writer, not so much about the women of MN.

Apart, of course, from the sexism which makes them so shocked that women, even, gasp, mothers, would have the temerity to disagree with the prevailing ideology and debate it critically.

I enjoy the recipe derailings myself. Not only have I got some good recipes, (mince pie vodka!) but the delicious subversion of MNers, deliberately using a traditional women’s subject to poke fun at men who want women back in their domestic box, always makes me laugh.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/12/2018 00:21

Absolutely. Human females only in this hotbed.

Aw...I've got a very warm dachshund in mine.

Ereshkigal · 07/12/2018 00:30

I only made it halfway thru. Doubt it improved.

You're correct.

AspieAndProud · 07/12/2018 00:33

Somebody did a feature about editors and columnists at The Guardian a few years back and I think with the exception of the sports editor they had all gone to public school.

VovoBickie · 07/12/2018 00:42

LOL!

The most threatening thing to patriarchy is women talking to one another about their honest opinions.

KinCat · 07/12/2018 00:55

I wonder where they're holding their daily Mumsnet discussions. Would it be a bad thing if they joined the discussion here? I suspect they don't really want a discussion though. Women aren't supposed to talk or think or have unapproved opinions. It's just plain old fashioned misogyny dressed up in a rainbow coat.

I love porridge. With chocolate chips on top (definitely not mixed in) and some strawberries, blueberries or raspberries etc.
Delicious. The bowl it's made in needs to be wide and shallow to allow a good ratio of topping to porridge.

cockBlocker · 07/12/2018 00:59

Hang on, aren't Joss and Eve white? They can't win us at oppression Olympics if they're white too, you don't get any special status for crossing your fingers behind your back and saying 'black women' three times with your eyes closed. Why are they presuming that you can't be gender critical if you're not white anyway, what kind of racist bigots are they for assuming other ethnicities are incapable of critical thought that goes against mainstream TRA brainwashing?
They love mentioning how they've been talked about on here these types, they must frantically search for their names every time they create new misogynistic attacks articles.

mirandayardley · 07/12/2018 00:59

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mirandayardley · 07/12/2018 01:01

I’m on my second strike by the way so...

cockBlocker · 07/12/2018 01:04

Hats off to you, mirandayardley x

NotMeOhNo · 07/12/2018 01:12

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ErrolTheDragon · 07/12/2018 01:12

I’m on my second strike by the way so...

If you of all people get banned from MN, I'm out of here.

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Ereshkigal · 07/12/2018 01:33

Would it be a bad thing if they joined the discussion here? I suspect they don't really want a discussion though.

You'd be right. Hashtag nodebate.

Ereshkigal · 07/12/2018 01:34

Good to see you Miranda!