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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Julie Bindel is on Woman's Hour tomorrow!

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PimmsnLemonade · 02/12/2018 22:58

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PencilsInSpace · 03/12/2018 13:22

Are there actually German Shepherds in DIVA magazine?

I like GS Smile

Thegirlinthefireplace · 03/12/2018 13:26

I am not able to listen, can someone please explain German Shepard's

incallthebloodytime · 03/12/2018 13:29

I'm lost on the way language is evolving

Years ago you would have kept it private if you were someone with a particular kink but now it's meant to be acceptable to identify openly as a furry or a little etc - even acceptable enough to go to work as such

Whereas basic terminology for body parts and adults e.g. Male or female is becoming increasingly UnPC to use

hackmum · 03/12/2018 13:36

What a strange interview.

In a way it wasn't a fair fight, as Julie was clearly much more polished, much more articulate, her arguments much more rehearsed. Linda seemed to be completely out of her depth, and by the end was reduced to saying that Julie's language was "transphobic", which hardly constituted an argument. Even when invited to have the last word, all she could say was that she strongly disagreed with Julie.

I was wondering why they had her rather than, say, Ruth Hunt, but I'd guess that all the usual suspects refused to debate.

BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 03/12/2018 13:39

She owns a lesbian magazine, you'd think she was well versed in the topic.

littlbrowndog · 03/12/2018 13:40

The German Shepard’s might be wee furries
Got to be inclusive 😂😂😂

arranbubonicplague · 03/12/2018 13:40

Odd how the issue is recognised in New Zealand but Riley won't accept it until she has proof (of what sort?) rather than what she's choosing to discount as urban myths.

Wall then began talking about the importance of prioritizing “trans inclusion,” before a flash of inspiration caused her to blurt: “My whole thing is that I don’t want any fucking TERFs at the Pride Parade!” This non sequitur won her thunderous applause, audible in the recording released by Speak Up For Women. It seems the old ploy works: when in doubt, blame women.

Pride is supposed to be about rainbow visibility. But this cause, whether championed by politicians, activists or the board itself, is increasingly dominated by the interests of men claiming to be lesbian, their insistence on lesbian compliance, and their disdain for feminists. While some Pride attendees invite teenage boys to “arse-play” parties, “transwomen” violate the very definition of lesbian, woman and homosexual, and harass women to do so. In this context of male sexual license, it is obvious why on-duty police are considered a threat by some Pride goers. Lesbian feminists explicitly against the parade’s phallocentrism remain the real party poopers, though – and easier to target.

reneejg.net/2018/11/26/pride-police-politicians/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Gileswithachainsaw · 03/12/2018 13:44

I actually think in that saying she hadn't heard any thing from.lesbians and by saying herself she was inclusive she sounded brainwashed. It was all clearly part of a mantra script she can't deviate from hence why she was unable to answer or speak coherently about any points made

I don't think Julie bindel even brought out the medium guns. It was fairly tame. And still it all fell apart.

In trying to show they are inclusive they showed how they'd been "got to" instead.

incallthebloodytime · 03/12/2018 13:50

Sorry folks 😐

Julie Bindel is on Woman's Hour tomorrow!
CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 03/12/2018 13:53

These are good as they are making more people aware, which is the only thing we can do.

Such a shame it's in when thousands are at work.

ChewyLouie · 03/12/2018 13:55

Diva magazine is a pretty much a red herring, Id’say GLAAD is what is driving her agenda.

Datun · 03/12/2018 14:02

She is now claiming that of course she'd heard it, but it was all mythical.

Despite she herself propagating it. She said that saying lesbians with a penis is transphobic. She IS the pressure.

Does that mean that she, herself is a myth?

Can we all just stop believing in her then.

Ereshkigal · 03/12/2018 14:18

The reason you haven't heard a coherent argument, is because there isn't one.

This.

LizzieSiddal · 03/12/2018 14:20

She is now claiming that of course she'd heard it, but it was all mythical.

So she’s not seen the tweets from TRAs moaning about the Cotton Ceiling?

I hope someone is able to provide her with this evidence.

Melamin · 03/12/2018 14:29

Transwomen are at more risk of domestic violence? - their lesbian partner is more likely to be the woman they were in a relationship with before they transitioned - is this happening? (er….no Hmm)

Datun · 03/12/2018 14:47

Transwomen being at risk of domestic violence has got nothing to do with whether or not lesbians should fuck them. Seriously, what did that woman even mean?

Because it certainly isn't women who are delivering this assault and violence towards transwomen. It's men.

It's quite extraordinary how she can hold both sides of the argument in her head as a means to coerce women into sex. Men are violent towards each other. So lesbians get no boundaries.

It's just jibber jabber.

Ereshkigal · 03/12/2018 14:48

much clearer term.

Yes, that's why the TRAs aren't keen.

rightreckoner · 03/12/2018 14:54

I'm listening on catch up. Linda is hopeless. Julie is brilliant and so clear.

rightreckoner · 03/12/2018 14:57

Also I'm going to channel Julia Long at the LAWS event - what the hell is a Trans Lesbian? Don't give them the kudos of the name. These people are many things and they are Trans. But lesbians they are not.

Katvonblackdeath · 03/12/2018 15:01

Thought it was good that they had a civil debate.

The beard and penis phrase wasn't transphobic though? Not when you have people like Alex drummond? Surely?

Julie Bindel is on Woman's Hour tomorrow!
Katvonblackdeath · 03/12/2018 15:04

I am interested by the number of trans women who identify as lesbian. It seems much higher than natal women? Odd.

rightreckoner · 03/12/2018 15:08

None of it was transphobic. It was the equivalent of a teenage strop - I can’t think what else to say so I’ll just say that you’re all really mean and slam the door.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 03/12/2018 15:09

I am interested by the number of trans women who identify as lesbian. It seems much higher than natal women

mmm funny that

even the wokest 'once kissed a girl for attention' definition puts only around 15% of young women as lesbian or bisexual. seems a lot higher among transwomen (that well known subset of women)

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 03/12/2018 15:13

and listening again I am struck by how civilised it is

two people who fundamentally disagree on something very important to them who are able to

  1. give the other person an opportunity to speak
  2. say quite nice things about each other at times
  3. be in the same room

now what's different about these two people compared to some of the other women's hour guests? hmm....

Melamin · 03/12/2018 15:18

Yes very civilised Smile.