Nice thread with lovely wishes for transpeople

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Can we have a thread where we just say nice things we wish for transpeople by gender critical feminists? We are always framed as horrible bigots when actually a lot of concerns stem from a place of being caring maternal women.

So actually what do we think? Rather than what they (TRA's I mean, I know there are a few GC TW who understand our motives are not transphobia or bigotry) say we think because we are trying to keep our own rights

I'll start with a few of my own thoughts:

• I wish for transpeople to be comfortable in their bodies, I feel gender dysphoria must be incredibly difficult to live with and I hope that they find support available to help them and aren't stuck with waiting lists that last years or fobbed off with ten mins when they do want support

• I wish for transpeople to have safe access to drugs they may need that have a decent safety rate and have been tested for long enough that they aren't being human ginea pigs or suffering horrific side effects

• I wish for transpeople to have safe spaces for transpeople in prisons, shelters etc

• I wish for transpeople not to be unable to enjoy sex as a side effect of drugs or surgery

... I'm hoping that this will continue in a nice way... and perhaps the debates can stay on other threads so it is absolutely clear that we don't hate transpeople, we would just like to keep our own rights but we are actually pretty thoughtful and concerned in some of our arguments for fellow human beings

This is a nice idea for a thread!

I hope that everyone has a lovely Christmas and cheerful new year.

I hope they find peace within themselves.

Or as Wordsworth put it

the calm existence that is mine when I am worthy of myself

Just pointing out that you being "nice" won't make males respect you the tiniest bit more, and will not reduce the hate males and their handmaidens spew your way the tiniest bit.

I hope you don't hope to prove to TRAs that you are nice, because that would be totally wasted time, and you would be even more hurt by the hate after you have been so nice.

I personally find it hurts less to be sent death threats by TRAs if I don't even try to be nice and do emotional labour for transpeople.

But that's just me.

Hestia that is true, but my self-respect knows that my support for other people's human rights is not diminished by their lack of support for mine. I don't care if it makes any difference to what others think of me.

I don't hope to prove anything to TRA's @HestiaParthenos by this thread

I just wanted a thread where it was clear to transpeople that they are not hated by GC women like myself. And I can choose to be nice without ulterior motives behind it. Lots of people who are GC have trans children, relatives, friends... if people want to they can comment. If they don't wish to be nice, they are free to hide the thread or ignore it. It's not compulsory to be nice by commenting

Trans rights are human rights - I don't want trans people erased, far from it, I want everyone to be happy and able to express themselves as they choose.

I have concerns about trans ideology and loud arrogant TRAs are making it difficult for these to be heard and discussed rationally.

Just pointing out that you being "nice" won't make males respect you the tiniest bit more, and will not reduce the hate males and their handmaidens spew your way the tiniest bit

True.

But I'd like to spare a thought for all the sweet, lovely young transmen I come across. Often care leavers, often abusive fathers or someone else, often living really tough lives. My Christmas wish for them is to feel happy and at home. I'm desperately worried they will have life altering surgeries before they've had a chance.

What LangCleng said.

but my self-respect knows that my support for other people's human rights is not diminished by their lack of support for mine
I agree.
I think for many feminists on here, there is zero issue with transpeople and a lot of issues with the TRA agenda.

It's nice to have a thread to highlight the difference.

I wish trans people have access to evidenced based medicine and support.

I want trans people to be safe and well and free from discrimination, just like everyone else should also be. Like women also want to be.

I would like to see an end to gender stereotypes, which in themselves cause confusion and dysphoria to young people who feel they don’t fit, or recoil at the expectations placed on their sex.

I would like to see an end to male violence which is the common factor driving trans women to refuge in women’s spaces and women needing to protect these spaces.

But most of all, I wish that trans people would see that the enemy is not feminists, but the demands of the TRAs who claim to speak for all trans people and whose demands are irrational and unreasonable. I’ve noticed on Twitter lately a growing TransRational voice, I think the pendulum might just be starting to swing the other way.

Until they clean out their house, I'm not interested in 'niceties' anymore ¯\(ツ)/¯

the calm existence that is mine when I am worthy of myself

What a beautiful phrase, ursula.

I'll spare my lovely thoughts and concern for actual women. The ones being raped, abused, paid less than their male counterparts, being overlooked for jobs, the ones being treated like domestic appliances, discriminated against because of their biology, being subjected to FGM, trafficked and harassed in the street.

I honestly hope that young gender questioning adolescents get the support they deserve. I hope that CAMHS and GIDS offer more support than affirmation and medical intervention.
I hope that anyone with gender dysphoria receives support and love where they need it.
I hope that can be separated from cross dressers and fetishists whom I hope and wish would keep their cosplay private.

Trucking, is your capacity for concern limited, then? Most people can manage to be concerned for more than one category of people at a time.

My capacity for empathy and sympathy is not limited. I do not, however, respond well to appeals to female socialisation on a feminist board. Like I say, I'll wait until I see some emotional labour coming my way and then I'll reconsider.

With you Lang as ever 💪

No, Misc, it's not but I'll direct it where I see fit, if that's ok with you.

Trans rights are human rights - I don't want trans people erased, far from it, I want everyone to be happy and able to express themselves as they choose.. Hear, hear.

If we were wanting magic Christmas wishes: I'd want self ID to disappear and for us all (trans and GC feminist) to focus on destroying the stereotypes and structures, that disadvantage both groups.

I'm with you, Trucking.

I wish any transperson success, acceptance and a life free of negative discrimination, a fulfilling life and good relationships.

I hope everyone understands that the reason why feminists seem "obsessed" with trans certainly in recent years, and more so since the GRA reforms, is because
Transmen are a feminist issue seeing as they are female, and transwomen are a feminist issue because they want to join women's space which changes our space.

It's not hate to discuss issues that effect women. No one of us wish harm on transpeople.

We do however need to define women on women's terms, not other people's terms. So I also hope trans people can come to terms with that without issuing death and rape threats and calling me all the names under the sun, and that we can eventual come to some sort of compromise wrt same sex spaces.

So, this is basically a thread where we copy paste all those similar sounding intros to our posts about ‚everybody should dress as they want and live free without discrimination....‘ that crowd all the other Threads?

I'll never agree with self id though.

I worry for the teenage girls stating they want to be male. I worry nobody is looking out for them as a society.

Third spaces - I don't have an issue with. Men in women's spaces? Absolutely not.