Bunbury’s Public Service Announcement 2

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The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321127-public-service-announcement

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links in following posts.

Steph has too much time on Steph's hands. Maybe do some bellringing, or guerrilla gardening, or litter picking. All acceptably mixed-sex.

If this is the case I think it ignores the insidious effect it will have on the confidence of people who have been the victims of this sort of behaviour before, to feel able to continue to contribute.

Yes, I largely agree. Although I think it’s true MNHQ are thinking of the bigger picture and allowing them to show who they are, in quite an alarming way at times. I understand they’re in a tough spot, even if it does annoy at times.

Oh good.

Being sorted

I was about to post. I have to say, I think they have dealt with this extremely well, waited and watched, and let them do it to themselves. Hats off to @MNHQ on this one, really outstanding work I was a bit grumpy yesterday about it but they’ve resolved it well

No dafties on mumsnet 💪💪💪

Thank heavens

The behaviour exhibited last night was really quite distressing to watch

Hooray, well done MNHQ - specially since this may not be a cost neutral decision, given the risk of spurious and entirely ungrounded litigation (which although it wouldn't succeed would still cost money to fight).

The behaviour exhibited last night was really quite distressing to watch

I missed that. What happened?

Some people get off on upsetting other people

It’s a weird thing

I never saw it either tinsel and glad I never

But I guess a show of dominance buts that’s just a guess

Excellent news.

I may do a wee dance while eating a banana to celebrate.

Sorry, I might mean yesterday day time

Anyway, following Caroline farrow around the board to intimidate her and make horrible accusations, clearly with the aim of trying to make it so difficult and unpleasant for her to use this place that she gives up

It was obvious and disgusting

Oh yeah Bernard that was shocking. It was like how can you not see what you are revealing about yourselve

Who was it said men fear being laughed at ?

It was a thread posted to goad and then had post after post of faux-concern gaslighting about wanting to have a discussion and how bad it was that associates of the now-banned poster were being targeted TinselAngel. A kind of pious "more in sorrow than anger" dominance display.

The main thing for me is that the Caroline Farrow support thread stays up. That is very revealing.

Margaret Atwood writes that when she asked a male friend why men feel threatened by women, he answered, "They are afraid women will laugh at them." When she asked a group of women why they feel threatened by men, they said, "We're afraid of being killed."

Gavin De Becker later stated in The Gift of Fear: And Other Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence (1997) "It is understandable that the perspectives of men and women on safety are so different — men and women live in different worlds. I don’t remember where I first heard this simple description of one dramatic contrast between the genders, but it is strikingly accurate: At core, men are afraid women will laugh at them, while at core, women are afraid men will kill them."

Ha, I wrote "dominance display" before seeing littlbrowndog's guess at "a show of dominance".

It all acts as a perfect metaphor for the problems with allowing males into women's spaces.

Although perhaps it's too blatant to call it a metaphor- maybe "case study" would be a better description.

It was like how can you not see what you are revealing about yourselves

That’s the thing though - they don’t function on that level, do they? There’s no self-awareness, so they will never see it. It’s all about the overwhelming sense of self and the battle fought. No-one else is seen as worthwhile or even human. And any direct attention, negative, reasoned argument, ridicule, feeds the disruptor. It’s so tempting to engage, but it never works, does it?

Well done MN. I love how they stay so calm and reasonable.

On another note: is there another support thread for Caro? Did I miss it?

It’s so tempting to engage, but it never works, does it?

No. All the language, techniques and principles of domestic abuse apply. The dynamics are exactly the same.

Pleased that mumsnet have been able to resolve this

I don't much care what the reasonings were, giving enough rope, litigation concerns whatever

But anyone looking at the relevant threads last night would have had their eyes opened...at least where that particular poster is concerned

I wish people would understand this and not engage.

I guess in what was being written on twitter by the disruptor and the what was written here the disruptor seemed to b3 like I will show these unruly women cos I am so much smarter than mere women

Trying to stomp all over us

Was weird

Do people get off on this ?