In defence of deadnaming

[welshgendercrit]

For ‘deadnaming’ is just a Newspeak word designed to demonise the telling of historical truths. Not satisfied with seeking to control contemporary discussion and attitudes, now trans activists and their allies (all institutions, in essence) want to control the past itself. History. No way. The past happened, it was true, and we should not allow that to be erased and forgotten just to make some people feel better about themselves.

Yet again spiked (which I never used to read) has written a good, hardhitting, sensible article on transactivism.

www.spiked-online.com/2018/10/11/in-defence-of-deadnaming/

MN mods aren't known for being incredibly consistent, I'm afraid.

"You just can't use it this way"

"Well that's how I used it though"

Huh?

I was using it generally to distinguish from trans women and it got deleted

Fox are you really having difficulty understanding how simple it is? The 'c' word is redundant. If you want to talk about transwomen you can say 'transwomen'. If you want to talk about women, just say 'women'. It really is that simple.

Fox, if you're using the word 'woman' to refer to adult human females, no prefix is required.

the word 'woman' will do nicely

we'll all understand exactly what you mean. words are good that way

The solution to this would have been to not make a list of forbidden words in the first place.

The banning wasn’t driven by the women on these boards. It was externally imposed. Most of us were annoyed at being cissed but didn’t see the need to ban it or posters who used it. It wasn’t the women on the FWR boards who wanted words banned at all.

I literally said you can't use it generally

You can use it about yourself

Ah, yes, sorry, FB and AAK. So you can "discuss it" but only about yourself?

The 'c' word is redundant. If you want to talk about transwomen you can say 'transwomen'. If you want to talk about women, just say 'women'. It really is that simple.

No, I won't. I say trans women because it makes them sound less like cyborgs.

Exactly, if you call yourself "cis" then HQ most likely won't delete it, but calling other people that isn't allowed, as far as I understand.

BTW how was Xmas in the reindeer household?

Which would be awesome, except that "women" actually has a meaning. And it doesn't mean a person of the male sex.

Just like not even you think a lesbian couple is two male people. Because it's absurd.

Yes. You can call yourself cis as much as you choose. Have at it. You just can't use it as a general descriptive of women, or call someone else specifically 'cis'.

Which, given the idea behind the word as often used, in that the 'gender' matches the sex, is a pretty presumptuous thing to do anyway, really, for people so invested in the import of personal identity.

is a pretty presumptuous thing to do anyway, really, for people so invested in the import of personal identity.

Isn't it just.

Oh it was lovely thankyou angry

Slightly overshadowed by dds ME which meant she went to bed very early on Christmas day and boxing day...it just threw the dynamics off slightly. Not as much game playing...actual games not dd being crafty

Ds1 has just left for his boyfriends house...so all is calm

How about you?

Absolutely flora

There was an implied contrast with Natal Women lesbians. In either scenario they may be having anal sex with each other.

There was no implied contrast with [natal] women, the question was:

whilst you are at it, how can two men who identify as women, having anal sex, be lesbians exactly?

We had a quiet day, just DH and I, since we're both just getting over the flu. Will see nephew and niece soon! Just not too soon, on account of don't want to risk giving them flu too.

Just like not even you think a lesbian couple is two male people. Because it's absurd.

No, they can be AFAIC.

Which, given the idea behind the word as often used, in that the 'gender' matches the sex, is a pretty presumptuous thing to do anyway, really, for people so invested in the import of personal identity.

I mean everything from Shania to "not bothered enough to be trans".

sack

I never knew that implied and infered and extrapolates meant 'shit no one has said'

Lot of that goes on in mumsnet...to be fair ALLLLLLL of mumsnet

angry

There is some nasty stuff around, ds1 hasnt been well today at all!!

No, I was lolling at "Lesbians don't usually have anal sex with each other do they?"

If they (male "lesbian" couples) became the majority I'd probably be agreeing with you but they're not,

Why would that be Fox? Why would you agree at that juncture? Them being as woman as any other, of course?

I mean everything from Shania to "not bothered enough to be trans".

That rather incomprehensible sentence may be what you mean by 'cis' but it a) doesn't really explain why a special word is needed to encompass 'every woman who is not trans' and b) isn't what cis is explained to mean by other people who use the word.

This is not a respectful or mature atmosphere.

Awww sweetie, first day on the internet?

So you can "discuss it" but only about yourself?

Although i feel this will be ignored...

I have seen posts discussing use of the word cis that are not deleted

Its only when you refer generally to women everywhere as being cis or someone personally as being cis that its a problem and potentially deletable

If someone can be arsed to report.....which I usually can

Why would that be Fox? Why would you agree at that juncture? Them being as woman as any other, of course?

What I mean is that I'm not afraid that lesbianism is being taken over by dick any more than by the other categories I'm not personally into. But if a significant amount of lesbians preferred not to do dick and a significant amount of lesbians wanted and/or had dicks then you would presumably need additional terminology to distinguish in the same way as you have tops or bottoms or butch or femme or vanilla or kink for people who need these particular things. I don't know what the sisterhood thinks. I know I'd far rather have a trans woman than a politician lesbian.